If free will was not real

[Gemini]

The existence of the experience is not informative as regards any freedom.

Agreed.

A ll other things being equal...we would experience decision making even if it were not free..and we do experience decision making regardless of whether or not it is free.

Agreed.

What we have that people with frontal lobe damage don;t have is an undamagd frontal lobe.  Again, a human will, but what is free about it, by reference to that?

Nothing is free about it in the sense of being indeterministic. It's free in the legal/social sense.

Your e are filled with coercion/duress/compulsion -even when "mentally healthy"

Again, you're using coercion/duress/compulsion to mean "constraint," as in the causal constraints of determinism.

Hey now...that's my ass you're holding a chunk of...bring it up 6 inches.   

LOL I'm in danger of making a turtle jealous!

You're asserting that they are...and by reference to -quantitative, not qualitative, objections.  The nest thermostat makes decisions, free from duress or coercion in every way that you have described yourself as being free from duress or coercion (and importantly, in many ways that you cannot even remotely lay claim to).  Why does it not have a will...and are you sure that your own will isn't qualitatively (rather than quantitatively) similar to what the nest thermostat is doing....because that's a current working hypothesis of mind...btw.  

Alright, you asked for it.

*grabs nest thermometer and stomps on it*



According to you, I just destroyed a moral agent! Try and prosecute me for it. Just try.

The urge is ultimately produced by neural peptides and synaptic impulse..which themselves exert a force and indeed are..so far as we can tell...your -actual- decisions...and do so even in the case of a healthy or "normal" brain.  

Health is notoriously difficult to define. At the end of the day I'd say it's a Wittgensteinian family resemblance concept, so I think I'm just going to go with definition of mental health given by professionals in the field, and let you wallow in the weeds of causal philosophizing.

Other than the nagging suspicion and, indeed, mounting body of evidence that it is based on folklore...which we then reference to -execute- people pursuant to...gee, idk, you tell me.  

I, for one, would like to live in a world where...should I find myself in front of a firing squad...the charges read won't amount to being convicted of witchcraft.  

I hope you'll agree that I don't believe the folklore. But you might be right. It might be best to leave "free will" in the dust of history. Gonna go agonize about that for a while