Evidence that God exists

[fr0d0]

I want the discussion about God exitence and non-exictence to stay in this thread and not other that has another topic. Like the "Reason" thread and others, this discussion shouldn't be on such threads. OTherwise will this debate just get confusing and hard to follow.

So to make things clearer do I want Fr0d0 to answer some question. It may be repetitive. But I want to summeries some things and make things more clear.

Ok, so if you Fr0d0 can just answer these perhaps repetitive question so we can get on with the discussion instead of repiting.

1. Gods existence, what proof are there? Empirical or not, explain please. Also explain the theory about God that you once mentioned.
2. Other gods exitence, why do you not believe in them?

Just answer these two question, just so it become more easier for me that haven't followed the debate all the time before.

I may find some other questions but is quite primary that I want to know what your opinion is. Don't want this discussion to become hostile. So if we could keep it friendly or atleast civilized then it would be great.

Thanks for your civility Giff. I appreciate it.

1. There is no proof of God's existence, and I don't believe there can be, if you take the Christin Bible as your guide. It is one of the things we can know about the nature of God. God HAS to be a choice, therefore THERE CAN BE no certainty. This is an example of non empirical evidence (in this case reasoning to the negative). A rational supposition from accepted (Biblical) observations.

I dismiss personal witness of miracles and the like as superstition. I've known personally some reliable people who say that they've witnessed 'muscles grow'. I'm with the scientists who cry foul.

Non empirical evidence is the type easily dismissed. As mentioned above, recorded observations of the nature of God collected in the Christian Bible. Other non empirical evidence is experience directly, as Christianity is after all, about the direct communication with God.

Again, I dismiss 'feelings' and 'chance' for the same reasons as above. A Christian has to consider very carefully what could possibly be of God and what couldn't. Christians are also required to check their experience against the Bible and with other Christians to see that what they are experiencing etc can actually be consistent with the nature of God.


You said that theoretically God couldn't exist. Richard Dawkins has said that it isn't possible to know absolutely (to paraphrase). He states (accurately IMO) that it would be highly unlikely & so it would be reasonable to hold the belief that there was no supernatural god. I entirely support this statement. That's all I was saying.


2. Why one particular God and not every other god/ deity/ fantasy figure? I was raised in an atheist household. I have always been very curious about religion and spirituality. I have seriously considered many beliefs outside the one I currently accept. Like I said, I considered all possibilities and rejected those which made no sense. The Christian God made more and more sense, and I reached a point where I could rationally accept it to be the absolute truth for me. That isn't to say that I dismiss other spiritual influence. I think it's responsible to consider everything (besides the obviously ridiculous) and there's lots to be learned.