Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"

[bennyboy]

It's not?  So ideas are whatever it is you think...what does that tell us about their composition though?  How does that tell us that ideas are made of ideas?  What is a medium outside of a material framework?  

Eh? What's matter made up of? That's a weird question.

-right, with an invocation of solipsism that you do not, in turn, apply to your "ideas" whatever they are.

Fair enough. It's all degrees of conviction. I have 100% conviction of my own mind and ideas, and of objects as highly consistent experiences.

There's nothing in the universe with the proporties of a table.  Nothing at all....not even a table?  WTF?  First, deny the universe, then..deny tables?  This, ladies and gentleman, is why materialism is wrong.  

That's right. Table is an idea. The brown-ness is an idea. The flatness is an idea. None of the properties of a table are represented in physical reality. That is in fact what I'm saying. Don't believe me? Let's zoom in on my table and see how brown or flat it is. . . Whoops! It turns out those properties are not there, and my perception is of an idea of a table.

Well, he does have to posit something beyond the "experiential facts" (lol, really?..didn;t you just get through telling us, by reference to a table, how non-factual our experiences are?) if he wants to explain why things are crushed.......

Can you think of some example where an immaterial thing crushed something?  I just want to know what we're talking about here..where's the actual exception to the material rule in the statemen, not the nod to provisional certainty which is implicit in all rational knowledge claims?

I'm not asserting that a club is either material OR immaterial. I'm saying that as we experience it, it represents experiences and ideas and not more than experiences and ideas. And we know nothing more than our experience of it.