Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"

[bennyboy]

You already know where it leads us, and have decided that it's non-science.

I've said so for a simple reason. Science is about studying that which can be objectively observed (i.e. all people can observe them), and qualia cannot.

But I'm perfectly open to changing my opinion about this. Go ahead. . . you say science of mind is being done, I say science of correlates of mind is all that can be done. So go ahead and bring in science to prove your point. You keep saying you've "arrived at" a material world view because of the great consistency of objective observations, etc. etc. For someone with that position, you are able to provide shockingly little evidence that actually supports your view.

You ask me about music, you don;t really want to talk about music.  You wanna talk about mind.  You ask about a table, but again it;s not actually a table you;re talking about, you wanna talk about mind.  On and on this goes.  Chad there, he asks the same questions, but he doesn't wanna talk about that shit any more than you do, he's angling for immaterial causes.  

For guys that don't want to "talk about that shit," we've sure made a lot of posts, haven't we?

Given what we know now, I'd like you even to explain what material MEANS. Are you prepared to say that reality is made up of ambiguous mathematical formulae and nothing more, and stick to your guns in calling this a material reality? It seems to me that the idea of matter itself has been stretched to the point where it's no less representational than the "desk" idea.