RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
October 4, 2016 at 8:38 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2016 at 8:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 4, 2016 at 7:47 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You should stop speaking for scientists. I'm pretty sure my objections have NOT "escaped all of those researchers," and that in fact before doing ANY science they will engage in a discussion of how they are choosing to define qualia, and why they are making that choice. Give me a scientific definition of qualia, as per any of the many scientific papers that must undoubtedly be out there, since you say there is such a robust science of mind.As predicted, you ask about materialism, and then immediately default to mind. Just to be clear, you don't care whether or not anything, or indeed -everything- else is explained via materialism...it's just this one thing? You mean non-science papers, because science can't even study qualia, right? Remind me.
Quote:See, I'm not as intellectually lazy as you seem to think I am. I made a sincere effort to fiend a scientific definition of qualia, and could not, at least not in the first couple pages of a Google search. In fact, almost all definitions I found were those by philosophers, one of whom I believe I linked earlier in this thread, and whom I attempted to invite to this forum but who so far has not answered my e-mail.I've never thought that laziness was your problem, rather the opposite.
Quote:You need to follow through on some due process of your own. If you think your position is strong, that materialism is more than a philosophical choice, then bring some evidence. Support your position. Find any serious scientist who will even touch the issue of qualia with a 10-foot pole. Then we can move forward.You mean bring some non-science, and not about materialism, about qualia, then we can move forward? I doubt that fulfilling this criteria as asked will work, since it's already been done..and hasn't moved the chains for you. You think that qualias the special sauce. It's the one and only example, and you've flatly decided that science can;t study it, that anything that purports to study is is just a bunch of assumptions, and that the entire body of materialism is nothing more than a philosophical choice.
Why pretend that you've actually left any room here, that there is even a forward to go -to, that anything you've asked for isn't already denied, thoroughly?
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