RE: Occams Hatchet and Is Materialism "Special"
October 9, 2016 at 1:54 am
(This post was last modified: October 9, 2016 at 1:56 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 9, 2016 at 12:07 am)bennyboy Wrote: No I don't. Show me.Remind me, does the science exist, or do you object to it?
Quote:That's a lot of words, and nary a definition of "material" to be found anywhere in them.Definitions of words are not my problem, nor yours.
Quote:You keep saying you've done things you haven't done, at least in my view. Maybe less metacommentary and more actual proof of / support for your position?Complaining about metacommentary will not make your objections anything other than what they were.
Quote:"Observable stuff"? What stuff are you talking about, exactly? Whatever we are experiencing, since we are experiencing it, it must be stuff? Is that it? "It seems so, therefore it IS so"?The observable stuff, just as I said. You do realize that you could have learned this from the wiki link on materialism, before you launched yourself into this pointless series of objections? Things may not be as they seem. If we're wrong, then we would be wrong.
Quote:Nope. My views were established by what I read about QM and philosophy, and not the other way around. Me giving up on materialism was as much a Eureka moment as many people here giving up on atheism-- the more I learned, the more I felt the view was unsupportable.Assuming that they were established based upon the many arguments you've presented here, in this thread, and others....then you have a problem. They are objections which I have discussed with you, at length, time and time again. That you cannot accept them for what they are is, again, no problem of mine.
Quote:Still a lot of talk about me and my learning process, and not much talk of your view and SUPPORT for it. My assertion is that I don't know what is ultimately real, and I therefore declare as agnostic. Your assertion is that stuff, its properties, and its interactions are all that exist, and you have been surprisingly dodgy about demonstrating that belief to represent truth.I was attempting to be generous, assuming that you -had- heard a difficult objection to materialism, but had either lost it in translation, or botched it. If you don't know what is real, your issue is not with materialism. It's deeper, lower.
Quote:I'll probably keep responding, because I'm dumb that way and I have too much free time. But I can't see how this discussion is going to move forward unless someone is willing to make a positive assertion and attempt to support it. I was super sure that was going to be you, but it seems that's not the case.You've been outmanouvered for quite awhile, do you think that continuing to position will play in your favor, this time?
Quote:You will probably now claim that I'm making a God of the gaps about our discussion because I don't know how it is going to work out, right?Why would I? I'm trying to help you properly employ reason, not bullshit you.
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