Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks

[Statler Waldorf]

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It is your claim that mono-chiral amino acids cannot be spontaneously generated on Earth. As such, it is your claim to back up. Simply saying that it is so doesn't make it so. I've seen nothing in the literature that backs up your claim.

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You keep playing three card Monty with the burden of proof here. We know that mono-chirality is necessary for life. You are asserting that not only can life spontaneously generate on earth, but it did. So the burden of proof is actually on you to demonstrate this. This will be a tough task considering no lab experiment has ever resulted in mono-chiral amino acids and we have never observed them to appear in nature outside the cell. Best of luck.

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Actually, it is very relevant. We know that life existed on Earth 3.5 billionb years ago, and since it did, it was obviously using peptides to FORM the cell wall. Furthermore,

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/8233/8233notw1.html

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What? Again, if this life is using amino acids to form anything it is using DNA to do so.

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Erm, no as per the bolded statement, you've once again made a claim that you haven't supported.

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I don’t really have to support it because the burden of proof is on you (you are the one asserting it did happen). We have never observed it to happen, so to say it happened is just a matter of faith. This is all fine and dandy, but I already have my own faith.

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You'll have to point out where I said I had documents proving slavery in historical times was like American slavery. I said it was likely much worse in biblical times than it was 170 years ago.

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Ok, well then where are these documents proving it was much worse than American Slavery? You have still produced nothing.

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But let me ask you a question. Do you deny that slavery occurred in the Middle East in biblical times? Are you denying that Abraham had slaves?

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Exodus records the fact that slavery happened in those days. Sure Abraham had servants, where in scripture does it say Abraham was perfect and sinless?

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Once again, you've made a claim you haven't substantiated. I did a search for such a national geographic article and didn't find it. So if you've got it handy, perhaps you could use it to back up your claim. Furthermore, perhaps you could explain how, if it exists, evidence for Israelit writings in an Egyptian cave prove that the exodus exists. And finally, it is religionists that claim the exodus exists. As such, it is their claim to prove. It is not my claim to disprove.

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I already gave you plenty of evidence, including the Rohl findings; however I believe the show I was watching was called “the Naked Archeologist”.

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According to this:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...rmd%3Divns

It is dated to the reign of Amenemhet III. And according to this, it is not a decreee. It is a list of names of people in a prison or labor camp. Whther of not they were foreigners, it still says nothing about whether the exodus occurred.

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Well many archeologists such as Rohl are finding that the Egyptian Chronology was misinterpreted because several of the dynasties that were thought to be successive were actually parallel. So there were people working in labor camps (slaves) who were from Israel? Exodus doesn’t say this?

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According to who? Pat Robertson? It's a list of names of a possible prison or labor group. It proves nothing.

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I thought it made it pretty clear that their native names were listed along with their Egyptian names (something Exodus mentions) and these native names were Hebrew which means they were Israelites.

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Even if this were true, so what?

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It is true. So we have an Egyptian describing the very events which are also described in Exodus and you say there is no evidence to support the accounts in Exodus? This is eyewitness corroboration, which is a very solid form of evidence.

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No Statler. You are not going to turn your own lame argument around and use it against me. Any moral person knows slavery is wrong. It is a violation of basic human rights that all people possess. I don't have to justify my position that slavery is wrong. You have to justify why it is NOT, since that is apparently your position. And Statler, I don't object that it is in the bible. You've missed the point entirely. The point is that many of the people of the bible (Abraham, for instance) were slave holders, and as such why would ANY moral person follow the teachings of these people?

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Slavery violates human rights that all people possess and have always possessed? Where did these rights come from then?
I am not arguing that it is not wrong; I have a completely logical reason for believing why it is wrong. Just because Abraham did it does not mean it was condoned in the Bible. David had someone killed, and that does not mean the Bible condoned that action. These were not perfect men, which I think attests to the validity of these stories. Now if you can find where Jesus, who was perfect, owned slaves then maybe I would see your point.

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I would say that you are going to be very embarrassed when you are proven wrong, but you are in such denial about everything else that I shouldn't expect you to accept any evidence that goes counter to your religious beliefs.

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I find It very interesting you used a form of the word “proof” here. How can you prove something happened 3.5 billion years ago?