RE: Anecdotal Evidence
November 8, 2016 at 9:53 pm
(This post was last modified: November 8, 2016 at 9:58 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(November 8, 2016 at 1:21 pm)robvalue Wrote: I used to find all this very annoying, but now it's just kind of fascinating.
As you may be able to tell... I reached that point quite some time ago....
If I'm going to play agaisnt a stacked deck, and shifting goal posts, I might as well have fun with it.
Quote:This is turning "not having a position" into an art form. If I had to guess, I'd say RR is one of a small number of theists we have here who are self-aware enough to realise that if they stated their beliefs plainly, they would sound very stupid and would be indefensible. So instead they only vaguely hint at their position, while attacking the "opposition" to this unknown position. (Try and get him to say how he thinks creationism actually works.)
I think a lot of assumptions are being made about my goals and motives here (incorrectly). I'm happy to state my beliefs plainly. I'm not going to be forced into changing the subject though as a red herring. I also think that certain presuppositions and poor thinking need to be discussed prior to some things. As well I don't spend much time, when I am responded to with sophism and rhetoric, and plain disrespect.
Quote:The range of tactics on display here is quite astonishing. I think my favourite is getting other people to define your terms, then getting them to make your argument for you, then disagreeing violently with this position without saying how yours actually differs. I wonder how much cognitive dissonance this kind of thing causes a person. It must be exhausting to have to constantly shield one's points and beliefs. I suppose the strategy is that no one can shoot at a target if you never hold it up.
What is wrong, with asking someone to clarify what they are asking for?
Also, I don't have an issue with considering two opposed ideas at the same time.
Quote:I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just discussing the very interesting psychology on display here. What I think we're actually seeing, as is often the case, is religious beliefs polluting methodology. In order to maintain the illusion that such beliefs are based on credible methods, the same methods must be presented as credible with respect to non-religious situations. But of course, they are not; as is demonstrated every single time an actual example is mentioned. If the religious person really did use the same methodology they would be either insane or just completely vulnerable as a very gullible person.
I think you are projecting your belief and predjudices into your psycho-analysis. However I agree, that we shouldn't implore special pleading because we either favor or dislike the conclusion. However I think that the insults and character assassination attempts seen here disprove your theory.
Quote:Anecdotes might be true. Really? Never considered that. I doubt anyone here would ever argue with this statement, so again, what is the point of this? If a person is not convinced by a particular anecdote or set thereof, is this an attempt to batter them into submission?
It's not about if testimony may be true, but if it is evidence (information for justified belief).