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Christians
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RE: Christians
(June 8, 2011 at 1:15 am)5thHorseman Wrote: [Atheists do not disagree on] our beliefs on deity, or its power, or our interpretation of atheism. It's quite simple. Christians, on the other hand ... [snip rest]

Category error. The counterpart of atheists is theists—and not all theists are Christian.

And yes, atheists disagree on belief about deity. There are atheists who think some deities are possible, and others who think no deity is possible; there are atheists who think some deities are coherent and others who think no deity is coherent, and so on; when it comes to deity, atheists who are strict metaphysical naturalists disagree with atheists who are not. And so on. And there certainly is disagreement over the interpretation of atheism. Some view atheism so broadly that even starfish and cat turds are considered atheists (they too lack belief in deity, you see), while others view atheism as applicable only to entities for which theism can be expected (since starfish and cat turds cannot be theists, it is meaningless to count them as atheists); there are strong atheists who consider weak atheists as lacking the courage of their convictions, while there are weak atheists who consider strong atheists as misunderstanding what atheism means. And so on it goes.

Simplifying it does not make it simple. It does, however, make you wrong.

(June 8, 2011 at 3:09 am)Cinjin Wrote: You have a mild point, Statler. Atheists don't always agree. But it doesn't matter; they are not supporting a worldwide religion for others to adhere to.

Not to put too fine a point on it, Cinjin, but neither are theists. Some theists do (e.g., Muslim caliphate) but it would be a gross error to say that theists do—just as there are some atheists who want to eradicate all religion from the face of the earth in favour of secularist ideology, but not all atheists advocate that.

Cinjin Wrote:There are literally hundreds of denominations that claim the flag of Christianity. Not only do they disagree on doctrinal issues, they disagree on the tiniest of issues. Case in point, my neighbor across the street attends a "Christian" church; his pastor is gay and they don't even believe that Jesus Christ was Son of God ... [snip rest]

Anyone can claim to be Christian. That does not mean they are. I know individuals who profess belief in a nebulous concept of god who claim to be atheists. I ignore what they claim and look at whether their beliefs correspond to the label they self-identify to; if it doesn't, then I pat them on the head, give them a cookie, and deem them confused. What I don't do is take them at their word and decide the term 'atheist' has no coherent meaning. There is a basic definition of 'atheist' beyond which the term ceases to apply. The same goes for the definition of 'Christian' (Greek christianos).

(June 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: The original texts are the inspired word of God. I am not aware of any written in Aramaic, but ...

He may be referring to the popular but disproven idea that Matthew was originally written in Aramaic.
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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Christians - by 5thHorseman - June 7, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RE: Christians - by Violet - June 7, 2011 at 2:39 pm
RE: Christians - by frankiej - June 7, 2011 at 3:41 pm
RE: Christians - by Nitsuj - June 7, 2011 at 5:50 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 7, 2011 at 7:24 pm
RE: Christians - by 5thHorseman - June 8, 2011 at 1:15 am
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 8, 2011 at 1:37 am
RE: Christians - by Cinjin - June 8, 2011 at 3:09 am
RE: Christians - by aidoism - June 8, 2011 at 10:17 pm
RE: Christians - by Iandecal - June 8, 2011 at 9:19 pm
RE: Christians - by reverendjeremiah - June 7, 2011 at 8:24 pm
RE: Christians - by Minimalist - June 8, 2011 at 1:25 am
RE: Christians - by 5thHorseman - June 8, 2011 at 2:08 am
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 8, 2011 at 2:32 am
RE: Christians - by Zenith - June 23, 2011 at 6:42 pm
RE: Christians - by Anymouse - June 23, 2011 at 7:55 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 8, 2011 at 3:43 am
RE: Christians - by Cinjin - June 8, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 8, 2011 at 6:03 pm
RE: Christians - by Minimalist - June 8, 2011 at 9:31 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 9, 2011 at 6:38 pm
RE: Christians - by Anymouse - June 9, 2011 at 7:31 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 9, 2011 at 7:43 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 12, 2011 at 9:06 pm
RE: Christians - by Cinjin - June 12, 2011 at 11:29 pm
RE: Christians - by Godschild - June 13, 2011 at 3:04 am
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RE: Christians - by Godschild - June 13, 2011 at 12:19 pm
RE: Christians - by Zenith - June 10, 2011 at 5:56 pm
RE: Christians - by Foxtrot Uniform - June 13, 2011 at 12:30 pm
RE: Christians - by frankiej - June 13, 2011 at 12:35 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 13, 2011 at 2:01 pm
RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 13, 2011 at 2:30 pm
RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 13, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: Christians - by DeistPaladin - June 13, 2011 at 2:58 pm
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RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 13, 2011 at 2:57 pm
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RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 14, 2011 at 12:47 am
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RE: Christians - by Statler Waldorf - June 14, 2011 at 7:34 pm
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RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 14, 2011 at 8:53 pm
RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 17, 2011 at 2:36 am
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RE: Christians - by Godschild - June 19, 2011 at 3:03 am
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RE: Christians - by downbeatplumb - June 19, 2011 at 9:17 am
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RE: Christians - by DeistPaladin - June 19, 2011 at 11:35 am
RE: Christians - by Darth - June 17, 2011 at 3:17 am
RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 17, 2011 at 9:56 am
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RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 17, 2011 at 9:06 am
RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 17, 2011 at 9:52 am
RE: Christians - by Faith No More - June 17, 2011 at 10:05 am
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RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 17, 2011 at 9:54 am
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RE: Christians - by frankiej - June 17, 2011 at 10:16 am
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - June 17, 2011 at 10:59 am
RE: Christians - by reverendjeremiah - June 18, 2011 at 12:51 am
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - June 19, 2011 at 9:55 am
RE: Christians - by Ryft - June 17, 2011 at 10:40 pm
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RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 17, 2011 at 10:50 pm
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RE: Christians - by DeistPaladin - June 18, 2011 at 10:42 pm
RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 18, 2011 at 6:07 pm
RE: Christians - by Minimalist - June 18, 2011 at 6:58 pm
RE: Christians - by 5thHorseman - June 19, 2011 at 4:13 am
RE: Christians - by Godschild - June 20, 2011 at 12:33 am
RE: Christians - by Minimalist - June 19, 2011 at 4:42 am
RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 19, 2011 at 9:25 am
RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 19, 2011 at 9:58 am
RE: Christians - by Ace Otana - June 19, 2011 at 10:30 am
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RE: Christians - by Minimalist - June 19, 2011 at 1:39 pm
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RE: Christians - by Cinjin - June 19, 2011 at 5:55 pm
RE: Christians - by DeistPaladin - June 19, 2011 at 6:58 pm
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RE: Christians - by DeistPaladin - June 21, 2011 at 6:34 pm
RE: Christians - by Godschild - June 23, 2011 at 5:14 pm
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RE: Christians - by Zenith - June 23, 2011 at 8:12 pm
RE: Christians - by Cinjin - June 24, 2011 at 1:57 pm
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RE: Christians - by Napoléon - June 20, 2011 at 3:27 pm
RE: Christians - by reverendjeremiah - June 20, 2011 at 5:18 pm
RE: Christians - by Napoléon - June 21, 2011 at 7:49 am
RE: Christians - by reverendjeremiah - June 22, 2011 at 5:09 pm
RE: Christians - by Napoléon - June 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm
RE: Christians - by Cinjin - June 22, 2011 at 9:42 pm
RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 21, 2011 at 4:43 pm
RE: Christians - by Napoléon - June 21, 2011 at 5:01 pm
RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 21, 2011 at 7:15 pm
RE: Christians - by Epimethean - June 22, 2011 at 5:15 pm
RE: Christians - by reverendjeremiah - June 23, 2011 at 5:16 pm
RE: Christians - by Napoléon - June 23, 2011 at 5:19 pm
RE: Christians - by 5thHorseman - June 23, 2011 at 5:21 pm
RE: Christians - by Minimalist - June 23, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RE: Christians - by Darth - June 24, 2011 at 6:42 am

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