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Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
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RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
(December 15, 2016 at 11:39 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(December 15, 2016 at 11:19 am)RozKek Wrote: Can you answer the question I asked earlier?

God is all powerful, he can see the future. He sees that you're going to go to hell. Can you go to heaven?

Of course I can go to Heaven. But if He saw that I went to Hell, that means I went to Hell.

Exactly, let's say that is the case, in reality. Let's say God sees that I am going to hell, then I am going to hell as you said, and if you agree with that you do not agree with that I can go to heaven because he saw me go to hell. Then it does mean that I am doomed and determined to go to hell, because everything I will do no matter will result in me going to hell, because that is what god saw. Now if he saw me go to hell, then I cannot go to heaven because that means God was wrong, which contradicts God's nature.

The problem with your way around this is that you say that I can change my mind and then go to heaven, whilst God saw me go to hell, which means that whether you're aware of it not, you're implying that God could not see my change of mind for some reason, and that is contradictory. You are then saying that when God looked into the future and saw me go to hell, for some reason he didn't see me change my mind that would lead me going to heaven? If he can see the future then he will literally see or know every single thing you do including all your changes in mind, regrets etc that lead to the final result; hell or heaven.
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RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by RozKek - December 15, 2016 at 11:52 am

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