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Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
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RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist?
(December 15, 2016 at 2:40 pm)Tonus Wrote:
(December 15, 2016 at 2:18 pm)SteveII Wrote: If God weakly actualizing the circumstances to have Judas freely betray Jesus, that is not the same as God causing someone to do evil. While the effect was willed by God, the mechanism (Judas) still had free will. If God knew Judas was not greedy and selfish enough, then someone else would have been put in those circumstances.

That was just one of the possibilities that I was thinking through.  I am assuming that it was of critical importance that Judas fulfill his role once it was prophesied.  There is another option in the end-- that Judas is in heaven, having carried out his role in assuring that Jesus did not make a mistaken prediction.  That's not the impression we get because Judas is used by Satan and he is allowed to suffer from a guilty conscience that drives him to suicide.  There is no indication that he is redeemed.

There are other issues with the concept of a predetermined fate in this situation.  If God foresaw that Judas would betray Jesus, then this means that God foresaw himself selecting Judas for the role.  Is God also beholden to fate and unable to change the future?  If not, then didn't his action in choosing Judas seal that man's fate as the person who betrayed God himself?  That's a heavy burden to place on a man unnecessarily, since his betrayal wasn't needed-- Jesus himself mentioned that the Pharisees had plenty of opportunities to apprehend him, as he was not hiding.

Molinist doctrine outlines a sequence of God's knowledge: 

1. God's natural knowledge of necessary truths.
2. God's middle knowledge, (including counterfactuals).
3. God's free knowledge (the actual ontology of the world).

In Judas' case, #2 come into play as God knew, given that Jesus was born in the timeframe he was, walked through town x on y date and met Judas and asked him to be a disciple, then after 3 years and z number of events Judas experienced, he would freely betray him. Then we get to #3 where God did decide the time for Jesus to be born, did decide were to be walking though on y date and did decide to speak to Judas...

So, God's actions did in a way (weakly actualizing) 'seal that man's fate as the person to betray God'. That in no way took away Judas' ability to choose otherwise. Jesus' message obviously did not resonate with him and the greed in his heart was obviously there. He went to hell not for his weakly-actualized-by-God actions, but for the same reason anyone else will--rejecting God in his heart. 
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RE: Theists: How can predetermined fate and free will coexist? - by SteveII - December 15, 2016 at 3:07 pm

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