(December 22, 2016 at 11:11 am)operator Wrote: Let's remember that an all-knowing creator creating the future before it occurs to us as humans is quite different than a human time traveling and have "precognition." An all-knowing, all-powerful creator created me and knew I would make this thread before I made it. That eliminates my free will in the matter and means that every single "choice" I make is actually not a choice at all, but actually part of god's plan.
So either fate is real.
Or free will is.
Which one is it?
It's very simple and we need not be bogged down by hypothetical scenarios or silly semantic debates. Which one is it, theists? Fate or free will? Because either your god is all powerful, or he is not.
I appreciate the enthusiasm in the subject that everyone has displayed but we're really getting far off track here. It's a simple contradiction that many of you are simply failing to see and quite honestly I'm not sure what's so difficult about it. Either god created the future, or he didn't. He either knows what you're going to do, or he doesn't.
Fate?
Or free will?
You ignored the Molinism post I wrote which brings in a third option to your question. The future has not happened yet--even for God. No contradiction.