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Question for freethinkers
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RE: Question for freethinkers
(June 19, 2011 at 5:52 am)tackattack Wrote: I didn't sidestep anything. You still refuse to answer my questions, but I'll happily answer yours.

i)With my limited knowledge and my human perspective I would have averted it
ii) There are lots of reasons to this. You no doubt answer it with, because he doesn't exist, because you see no justifiable reason for their death.

Here's a few -
a)Someone had to pay the consequence for human action. From a life after death perspective, why not take the innocents so they can be spared hell and blame so that the living guilty could atone.
b)What would make the more impact on a community to learn their lesson? they already realized it could be a disaster, but apparently didn't care enough to protect their children.
c)He only interferes with human choice and desires and not natural laws or consequences
d)He's doesn't see death (especially of innocents) as inheritly bad and would rather have the innocents in heaven with him then have another generation of people that ignored him and common sense.
e)There could have been the next Jeffrey Dahmer in that school house, and he wanted to clear him away while he was still innocent.
I could come up with more probably if you like or even
f)He's apathetic

I'm sure I could come up with more, but I don't really know his reasons and this is all conjecture that I can see from my finite little perspective. None of it is evidence against God. You can't take someone's/something's inaction and use it to disprove their existence. I've never eaten an ugli fruit, they must not exist right... That's my main problem with the P.O.E. is that it's using instances of inaction and trussing up a moral delima with it and using it as evidence of the unlikeliness of God's existence.

Diffidus:

I would have replied to this earlier but I have been on holiday.

From your first answer, you are more compassionate than God.

From the list of rationalisations, I agree with your final conclusion - that you 'don't really know His reasons.'

I am not trying to use this argument to say that God does not exist or, in fact, anything at all about the probability of God's existence.

Here is my view (based upon the Aberfan incident): If God existed( and this is a big if) then

Maybe

God does not involve Himself in Human affairs - He has created a universe and then lets it run its course. But this impersonal God seems seems to be malevolent since, if He is omnipotent, He should have saved the children of Aberfan. This, also, does not answer the age old question that Epicurus posed. But there is an answer to the problem of evil; an answer to Epicurus' riddle:

If God exists he is not omnipotent. This possibility is given by Epicurus but it is usually passed over since, by definition, God is supposed to be omnipotent.But what if He has all the attributes necessary to create a certain type of universe but that for every positive creation there infiltrates strong evil forces. God would be continually in battle against these forces of evil but sometimes He loses, because he is powerful but not omnipotent - this would explain Aberfan.

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