RE: Question about death to Atheists.
February 11, 2017 at 6:41 pm
(This post was last modified: February 11, 2017 at 6:47 pm by bennyboy.)
(February 11, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Therefore for the believer there is no death because he is not separated for God, it's just simply transitioning from one place to another.
Now if you want to define death in the more traditional sense, fair enough, but that has nothing to do with what happens to consciousness afterward.
Unless you are claiming that belief creates reality, then your belief is irrelevant to whether there is or isn't death for you. More correct: "For the believer, there is the belief that he will transition from one place to another."
The question is whether that belief is correct, and there are very good reasons to believe it not to be.
(February 11, 2017 at 10:34 am)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 11, 2017 at 10:15 am)bennyboy Wrote: That I believe in things which seem to represent reality, and do not reserve the term for fairy tales?
http://faculty.valenciacollege.edu/droge...fact3.html
Quote:Belief vs. Fact
Often, people confuse belief with fact. Both involve some concept of the Truth, but belief does not really hint at whether something has been proven or not (or whether it even is provable). This is because "belief" is often related to another concept.
Faith: Unquestioning belief, trust, or confidence that does not require proof or evidence.
Having faith in something means no proof is required. This is often the case when it comes to religious views. In fact, the nature of religion is based on the fact that no proofs are required. This is because religion covers ideas and topics that are beyond the ability of human perceptions or understanding.
And though many people may say, "I take my religion as fact," that is not quite accurate.
Though archaeological facts may prove certain aspects of a religion, the larger questions about human existence after death, intended miracles, and intelligent design of the universe are beyond the sorts of investigative studies we normally associate with "proving" something. Religious concepts beyond the physical can only be taken on faith. And faith is only a weakness to someone who sees the physical world as more important (or more "real").
Let me interpret that into English: "Belief means accepting made-up fairy tales as fact."
I'm all for holding spiritual ideas or ideas about life after death. But at some point, you need an actual reason for holding those ideas. You need more than wishy-thinking, or your ideas cannot be considered well-founded.