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LHC disproves ghosts
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RE: LHC disproves ghosts
(February 22, 2017 at 10:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 22, 2017 at 1:53 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Just below the part of my previous post you emphasized... check it out... I made a prediction and stopped you in your tracks before you could conclude your line of reasoning.
Like I said, Bite me!

(You never mentioned the Theory of Relativity... but you were going to conflate those two, sooner or later.. .now you know better!)
This isn't the first time I've had this discussion, If I was going to equate the two, don't you think I would have done it before now?

Beats me...
Why would you bring up the relativity of time present in the bible, then?

(February 22, 2017 at 10:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 22, 2017 at 1:53 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Are GMO seeds sterile? All of them?
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012...eds-busted

*emphasis mine*

I thought we already discussed this.

We agreed that genetic variations can exist that don't constitute a change in species , and that different species CANNOT produce fertile offspring.

Genetic modification covers a wide range of possibilities (but it was quantified by "hybrid"), so I think I was clear in what I meant by:

(February 21, 2017 at 10:42 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Each seed must produce after it's kind, 'kind' means species, humans belong to the same species.

What you need to do is provide an example is of completely separate species producing fertile offspring.
This begs the question, is the GMO considered to be a different species than the original? If so are the offspring of the GMO fertile?


Most GMOs are fertile... it's what I quoted before.

If they are a different species... I'd think so, but I'm not sure... I've never read anything on that subject.

But I get the feeling that you are constantly talking about cross-breeding - A GMO life-form crossed with a non-GMO life-form. Is this it?

(February 22, 2017 at 10:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 22, 2017 at 1:53 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Damn... that "biology-online" site quotes Comfort... Ray Comfort?!... in the second definition... and the Bible itself...
LOL!!
I'm sorry, but I can't accept it as an authority.

Try to use an unbiased dictionary:
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/kind?s=t


No mention of species... but something close in #1.
*emphasis mine*
Really dude? That's the same definition for species.

form the same site
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/species?s=t
Quote:Species
1. a class of individuals having some common characteristics or qualities; distinct sort or kind.
You've called me disingenuous a number of times, what would you call what you just tried to pull?

Heck If you would just look down a little further in your own link for "kind", you'd see

Quote:Synonyms
1. order, genus, species; breed; set.

So yeah, they mean the same thing.  Rolleyes

I didn't scroll down that far...
Goes to show how it's just some common usage of the word...

Hey, synonyms!
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/species?s=t
Quote: breed
category
collection
description

division
group
kind
likes

lot
nature
number
order

sort
stripe
type

yeah... better be careful with those...
In Biology, kind is an imprecise word that is best avoided.

(February 22, 2017 at 10:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 22, 2017 at 1:53 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Why are you such a firm believer in that?
Why is belief required?
As I've stated, it comes down to personal conviction.

And how did you get convinced?

(February 22, 2017 at 10:48 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:
(February 22, 2017 at 1:53 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Did you even read what you quoted? I underlined it just for you. And yes, it matches perfectly with what I was saying.

Uhh no, you completely contradict what I posted.

You stated that:

(February 22, 2017 at 5:36 am)pocaracas Wrote: Look closer at the second sentence above the one you bolded... here, I'll repeat it: "No time" is not "stopped time".
From the photon's reference, time doesn't go by, but there is time.

You made it clear that "no time" (zero time) IS NOT the same as "stopped time", furthermore you go on to say that "time doesn't go by, but there is time.". implying that time exists, it's just stopped.

"Existing time" albeit stopped and "zero time" contradict one another, you say so yourself.

It has now become clear to me that you cannot grasp the concept of "absence of time".
I think no further explanation will do, as our language is, at best, clumsy in these matters.
But I'll try once more... I'm stubborn! Tongue

When I used "no time", I meant "absence of time".

Imagine time as an axis, a straight line.
From the point of view of a photon traveling at the speed of light in vacuum, it comes into existence at some point in this axis and reaches its destination at the same point. This is what I mean by "time doesn't go by, but there is time".

The absence of time, means that the axis itself isn't there to work with. There is no time. Time is absent. There is no point in time for the photon to exist in the first place.
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RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by Huggy Bear - February 18, 2017 at 9:47 pm
RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by dyresand - February 18, 2017 at 10:30 pm
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RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by dyresand - February 19, 2017 at 1:17 am
RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by Huggy Bear - February 19, 2017 at 1:20 am
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RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by Huggy Bear - February 19, 2017 at 1:24 am
RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by dyresand - February 19, 2017 at 1:30 am
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RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by Huggy Bear - February 19, 2017 at 1:57 am
RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by dyresand - February 19, 2017 at 2:16 am
RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by pocaracas - February 19, 2017 at 7:28 am
RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by Huggy Bear - February 21, 2017 at 12:50 am
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RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by pocaracas - February 22, 2017 at 5:36 am
RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by Huggy Bear - February 22, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by pocaracas - February 22, 2017 at 1:53 pm
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RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by Huggy Bear - February 24, 2017 at 2:12 pm
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RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by Anomalocaris - February 21, 2017 at 8:49 am
RE: LHC disproves ghosts - by Neo-Scholastic - February 21, 2017 at 10:53 am
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