Debate: God Exists

[Drich]

I'm talking about that being a silly way to do things.

Again what are you talking about?? Any one not born into what they currently believe to one degree or another researched and chose their current path. Some more honestly than others but never the less I see this sort of thing happen all the time. My wife still works in the church's food pantry and hands out with boxes of food pamphelets to help people study and make said decision. I also several other religions including Islam (Islam being the best/most modern) have similar programs.

Your critical disconnection on how religion works in people's minds should have you take pause and reevaluate what it is you think you know and how religion works in people's minds.

If you're ascertaining some tidbit about reality, you don't go into holy books which require belief and what looks a lot like self-deception for you to accept the existence of whatever it is they advocate.
You go into reality and find out.

If God is all powerful, and He says meet me here in this book first... Why would I go out into the world looking for God? Or are you saying this is how you proofed your anti God theory? You went to the place The bible says God isn't demanded God to show up, when He didn't you felt you did not need the bible?

Got me cnfused with someone else. i started out buddhist-ish

That's funny as that is not how I remembered it happening. Again did the budda thing first, mom changed religion turned to korean jesus next, nothing from him, went metaphysical hippy BS with my dad for a while, then it all came crashing down hard then went a-holeist for a few years. Then demanded a chance to spit in God's eye if there ever was one. Started beating christians so as to have them send a message to their God for me. God showed up, or rather I showed up at my judgement. Got to look Jesus in the eye did not spit.

You're right.... I must have mixed you up with someone else.... hmmm.... who, I wonder?....

Anyway, thanks for the summary!

So you tried this and that and then dreamed a dream... ahhh I remember!!... the dream of an eternity without god, wasn't it?
How do you reckon that idea came to your mind?

I was placed before Jesus on my judgement looked into his eye, got a sample of the love and what Heaven was about, then I experienced a version of Hell I never knew existed. Up until that point I had only known Dante' Inferno version of Hell. Here is where you placeebo theory gets it wrong for me. In what I experienced (A few minutes) totally undermind everything I knew of Jesus, the Judgement, Heaven Hell the purpose of eternal life, death, and redemption. So much so for the first few days I thought everything was made up because in all of my 'church experience' nothing lined up with what I saw... Then I began to read a bible I never picked up before and there in the bible did I begin to check off all the things I saw and experienced.

Again, all the same and much much more can be yours to experience for yourself. To experience God, to find out everything you know of God to be wrong, and to learn as you read.

I posted a thread like 5 years ago on this website that went into further detail, which throws you baby out with your placebo bath water without even tryng to. Meaning I was not making an counter placebo arguement I was simply pointing out the order in which I began to learn about God. Which again is the complete opposite of how you think it happens.

then why did hippy God work? he let me do anything so long as I did not hurt other people?

Secret: every god will let you do anything.

Not the God of the bible..sorry.

The "as long as you don't hurt other people" is your empathy at work. Most people have that, too, you know?

that's the hippy talking. I now have the freedom to treat others as I would like to be treated.

The problem with people who have it in their heart not to believe don't actually address specifics only situation. which makes them look lke a douche bag when they get caught mixing specifics with situation, so they generally double down and pretend what they are saying is true anyway even though their whole philosophy has been outed as being bunk

I sense a passive strike... I dodge! The crowd goes wild!

as the douche dodges into a blindside upper cut!!! By thundara I beleve procrates truly thought he had the upperhand with his dodge, but he did not see drich setting him up with his own testimony that at it's core refutes everything the thunderian was trying to preach about placeebos. Something Drich had waiting in the wings for over 5 years!!

It's an analogy. One that applies quite well, given the psychological overlap between the two situations.

If you say so sport!

My world view encompasses the whole visible Universe and considers the possibility of stuff beyond it.

So what you can see, and similar stuff just beyond it!
you would have totes been an earth is flat-er.

It also acknowledges the complexity of the human mind and all the ways it can work to produce a satisfying "world view" while being an totally incorrect one.

Translation: you mock things others believe that you have not accepted for yourself.

Knowing that, I avoid getting myself in a position where I can let my mind convince itself of an erroneous model for reality.
Yes, that's analogous to the placebo I know (or strongly suspect) to not work as advertised.

You know your system of belief can is strongly influenced by the placebo effect, by through sheer intellectual prowlace you are able to plot an accurate course...


In my conversion I have my experience with God coming before and knowledge of God. Then I have 20+ years of reading and studying that confirms what I experienced.

What do you have again?? oh, that's right sheer intelect and willpower. Can't see that ever failing you

I wonder in which of those categories you're putting me...

The proud/Chaff God is trying to seperate from the rest by mandating you bow your head and bend you knee before He do anything for you.

Or if you earnestly tried at some point then a 2 out of 3-er

Psychology, Drich!
What do you know about the power of suggestion?
Nothing... I'd wager.

I know before you suggest, you get your facts straight so someone like me doesn't leave you looking like a fool when your prize of a theory falls flat.

Isn't that the textbook definition of a believer?

or an atheist. a lazy mind does not need a deity.. just hive mind to hide in.

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cherry-pick
verb
1.
(transitive) to choose or take the best or most profitable of (a number of things), esp for one's own benefit or gain: cherry-pick the best routes

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Contemporary definitions for cherry-pick
verb
to choose the best items from a selection for oneself, often in an unfair manner

Seems to me you even admited what you did in your very explanation of 'not' cherry picking.

I am not cherry-picking, Drich. Neither am I "fearful to address it". It simply doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with the point I am making. Therefore, it was ignored.

Read before responding.

Omg, you guys are retards.

Ever play connect the dots... we are going to start at dot or point 1

1) The point you made was asked and answered in the first paragraph second post of 115.
2) meaning the point you made, was answered
3) to cherry pick and reassert your point is to effectively ignore everything I said and try and take the conversation in a now different direction since the failure of your last attempt.

Do you get it?

You ask a question about setting ourselves aside from the rest of you.

I asked a rhetorical and began to explain how it is we set ourselves aside.

You took two words from my explanation, and are now trying to go in a different direction rather than address what has been said.

If you still don't get it maybe ask one of your peers to explain it