Trans people & sports

[The Grand Nudger]

If you think winning eight fights is winning something once, I don't know what to say to that.

Christ Paul, you didn;t read what IU wroite the first time, or the second time..will the third time be th trick, or is this another one of those moments that you drag out for five pages?  

I haven't said there is an advantage in being trans, my point was that beyond the fact of their being ANY advantage in between fighters it might not make an unfair fight.  Fighters agree to fight other fighters who have a reach, height and muscle advantage all the time and win.

K, just looking for clarification.

If there's some medical experts on the one hand who say there's a decrease in muscle mass and bone structure and that might make them more able to compete against females, then there's people who have careers in fighting, martial arts experts, plus the people who have fought trans opponents saying there is an inherant strength advantage, who would I be to stand in the middle of that argument and say I know more than either of those groups?

People disagree, who am I to judge.  Well, either you think that you're the kind of person who can assess the case and think rationally and critically about it or you aren't.  

I don't know the answer to if they have an advantage or not, plus as I just said in the previous paragraph, I don't know how you'd define a fair fight anyway on the basis that people are going to have advantages in fights whatever happens anyway.

I imagine a reason why Falon hasn't fought in UFC is because the main people in that organization have said transexuals have an unfair advantage as shown in the quotes by Dana White and Joe Rogan.

Yes, the main people in that organization have said demonstrably untrue things, both about transgender athletes in general, and fox in specific.  That those people..in specific, are motivated by hateful bigotry and ignorance is clear -from- those comments - and this is something that is and will be true regardless of the status of the overall controversy of ftm trans in sports. If I wanted to establish that others mirrored my points, I would definitely -not- point to what comments that icky phobes and myself had in common.

Ronda Rousey won't fight her, not because she believes she's not a good enough opponent but because she believes she may have an advantage over naturally born females.

I don't necesserily agree with their opinions but I don't dismiss their expertise in fighting either.

Their expertise in fighting does not make them experts on gender, on trans athletes, on biology, on anatomy..or..really, anything...so if that's what we're discussing...and we are, you can safely dismiss their opinions.  I'll say this again, in their expert opinions, god helps them win and their poodles poor state of mind causes their loss.  

This is the caliber of the peoples opinions, even within their own specialty, whom you are reluctant to dismiss. They point to something that fox is good at, for example...the clinch, as though the simple fact that she was good at something, or better at it than other competitors that person has faced..as the trans advantage™. Smith didn't have any trouble with her manly clinch, when she handed Fox her first loss. Still, she bitched. Her trans advantage™ proposal was "she hit hard".