Quantum consciousness...

[bennyboy]

Flight also relies on qm effects...but, meaningfully, bernoulli's principle is a better explanation for that specific subject regardless of what a wing is made of (ignoring, ofc, that wings aren't required for flight, lelz).  My taking a shit is also "a qm effect" in the same way that flight is a qm effect, and in the same way that consciousness appears to be a qm effect, for what it's worth....which aint much.

Show me a non-arbitrary line in the sand that is much. Brain waving's fine if you have a brain and you suspect it to be fully conscious. It doesn't do much, however, as an actual explanation of why there is such a thing as consciousness, given any particular system, rather than not. Nor does it help us identify what physical systems or processes do have the capacity to experience what things are like.

You've already said you believe mind is not binary. That means it must extend from very simple systems which we would say are not conscious, or are kinda conscious, or slightly conscious, or whatever, up into human consciousness. So where do YOU think the cut line is? What do YOU think are the most fundamental criteria?

My belief is that there can be no such line. If there is no line, then any line drawn is an expression only of our way of looking at things, and not of the reality of any property to be found in the Universe.