Potentially Big News On The Human Evolution Front

[Catholic_Lady]

Um no, the idea of a magical forever isn't strictly a western concept.

Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism are full of their own mythology and superstitions. It is a mistake to assume the religions of Abraham have a patent on gap answers.

Eastern Asian religions also have their ideas of pre and post life, just like the Mayans did.

I see our species history worldwide the same way. I see all religions as making the same mistake at the core. The idea that "all this" is some patent created, owned or invented by any single one. All of them claim morality, all of them see their flavors as good. Some depending on individual or sect try to water it down from the word "religion" to the word "philosophy".

I see the universe as far older. I accept it does not give on shit about me or my fellow humans. I hate that far too many, when you say that, think I am being negative. It to me, is the same as knowing a good movie ends, or a good music concert, or a sporting event.

You don't need a magic hero or a religious club to accept that this is it.

Concepts of spirit worship in Asia and even with Natives in the Americas replaces central God/god/s sure, but they still have concepts of evil spirits and worship of ancestors, and even claims of reincarnation and karma, which I find to be just as superfluous. 

Again, there were no written religions of any label 200,000 years ago, much less 4 billion years ago, much less 13.8 billion years ago.

Infinite nor finite conflict to me, when you take magic and super heros out of it. I see nature and the universe as being a fluctuation between off and on. The off and on can be finite, the on can be finite, but the fluctuation between the two states can be infinite. 

What is not required for either is a human like comic book super hero with magical super powers.

No i was saying that the claim that the cosmos can't be infinite or come from nothing is a western apologist idea.

I'm not saying they can't. I'm saying there's no proof that they can. 

In the natural, physical world, we have NO proof that anything can either spontaneously materialize from nothing, or that it can be infinite - ie, not have a beginning/origin. In fact, we only have evidence of the opposite - as far as we have gathered, things in the natural, physical world have origins.   

If you choose to believe the cosmos have always existed, or that they materialized from nothing, that's fine and dandy. But there's no proof of it. Also, there's no proof that anything exists outside the natural, physical world (ie, the supernatural).

Regardless of whether a person thinks the former is more likely, or the latter is more likely, there is still no proof of either and the person is making a guess. Personally, I think the latter is more likely because we have already observed that things in nature have origins. I find the likelyhood that we are wrong about that quite low.