Losing respect for Rand Paul

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Yeah, but how do you fix government? The only thing that really impacts governments in NA seems to be cash, and in order to have a government-impacting amount of cash one must be a corportation. It's paradoxical. At least if we keep our cash as individuals, we can then spend it on the actual goods and services we value instead of it disappearing into a void of subsidizing whatever corporations got the incumbent government elected.

Lol you think your money directly used on things you value you want in a free market . And if you want more say in how money is spent then there is this thing called a democracy. Oh and small government can be just as corrupt as big government .

Yeah how's that working for you? Democracy is a joke - it's a cointoss as to whether you'll actually elect the candidate you voted for [for example, I've been alive for 4 American elections: 2 went to the person who won the popular vote, 2 didn't. So that's as good as random]. Not only that, but you're choosing between 2 corporate puppets in the first place. A corporation can always just... buy both parties. It's not that complex

I'm not putting any faith in democracy.

And sure, small government can be just as corrupt, but it has fewer resources so it's less powerful.

Corruption aside, I don't like having to pay for things that I don't value. I'd rather spend my own money buying the things I want and need than pooling all the resources of society and getting random stuff back. For example, apparently here in Denmark I'm supposed to pay a $300 charge for living here 6 months, to fund the Danish entertainment industry so they can make government subsidized TV programs. In danish - whoopdeedoo, I don't even speak Danish. I'd rather not spend my money on that because I don't value it - with smaller government, I wouldn't have to.

Again it's called a democracy . You get less say in a free market system because it not democratic .

I'm talking about real power, real change - democracy is far, far too imprecise. You look at how fast corporations can move things - money's what actually changes things.

Additionally, a more classic argument, when I work hard I want credit for the work. I have no qualms with the government taking a cut to structure society, but many socialist systems disincentivize people from working because it puts them into a higher tax bracket or whatnot. It's silly.

The disincentivization theory is psychological pseudoscience. Government taxation has never resulted in such a phenomenon. It''s trickle down voodoo economics created by the rich to give them tax breaks . 

No, I don't think so. Not only have I learned about this in multiple university classes (on both sides of the political spectrum), but I've seen it impact people. Have you really never met someone who works a specific amount to stay in a tax bracket? 

Oh, and one more thing, that's actually really important. The people who pay taxes are very much the middle class - very wealthy people have the resources to avoid taxes almost altogether, whereas most regular people aren't that sophisticated. You tax more, it isn't the super-rich that are paying for it.

Yup which mean we need to kill tax loopholes ans streamline taxation not kill government.

But how do you do that in a system where you have this bloated government that is a puppet of corporations? You say 'democracy' - yay, you get to choose between two or three massively corrupt parties, who will all follow the same corrupt system. Like, do you really think the USA has a hope in hell of escaping their government corruption issues through voting for one party or the other?