God is so quiet

[LadyForCamus]

Universe, here, meaning this local universe. Just to be clear.

If we're talking the totality of all things in existence (cosmos or whatever), then I think it is necessary because logic mandates it. But then, wouldn't this mean it's contingent on logical absolutes? But logical absolutes are abstract, aren't they? How do they exist independently of concrete things?

Like I said above. One such possible world is one that only has God or something like him--a immaterial mind if you will. There--a possible world with no concrete objects.

Sure.  But that wouldn’t be nothing.  It would still be a world with a mind in it. Yes?  

This very clearly illustrates that the physical cosmos could have failed to exist.

Its current state?  Yes, I agree.  I’m saying reality itself cannot fail to be, because there is no logical alternative.  

You can argue that some existence medium must exist to have a possible world.

Yes, that is exactly what I’m arguing.

However, if it does not have to be OUR cosmos, then our cosmos could have failed to exist and therefore it is contingent on something else.

I tentatively agree.  What are you including/excluding in your definition of cosmos?

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And maybe reality doesn’t need a cause.  Maybe reality is necessarily real by definition.  What’s the logical alternative?  Non-reality?

I agree with that! If God exists, there was always a "reality". There might not be a logical alternative (or at least its a meaningless question).

We sort of agree on something?!  *high five*

The difference is, I think think your God is superfluous within this proposition.  If reality is necessarily real, what do we a god for?


Addendum:

Tibs and Steel said we (or, probably just me, lol) are incorrect in our use of the word “existence”.  They say ‘existence’ is a descriptive term only; not a noun, and that there is no such thing as, “a state of existence.”  You guys agree or disagree?