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Did Muhammad exist?
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RE: Did Muhammad exist?
(February 13, 2018 at 12:22 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: All this aside, do you think Julian was acting out of a sense of virtue? Or do you think he was motivated by power, ambition, etc?

Yes to all three.  I don't think, in Julians case, any of them can be separated from the other.  He certainly wouldn't have thought so. Christian hegemony was a competitor to his power (in all of the ways familiar to us today, right down to the cynical wisecracks). His ambition for rome could not accept such a division of authority, and he sought to use that authority to reestablish what he saw -as- the virtues of rome.

When I read Julian, I see a virtuous man trying to grapple with what had already become a belligerent religion at a wholly inopportune time...whereas when I read Constantine (for example)...I'm reading him for filth.
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Did Muhammad exist? - by Fake Messiah - February 12, 2018 at 4:21 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 12, 2018 at 12:52 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Catholic_Lady - February 12, 2018 at 1:08 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 12, 2018 at 1:36 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by paulpablo - February 12, 2018 at 3:10 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Fake Messiah - February 12, 2018 at 3:42 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Brian37 - February 12, 2018 at 4:00 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 12, 2018 at 7:34 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by drfuzzy - February 12, 2018 at 7:42 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 12, 2018 at 8:22 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Amarok - February 12, 2018 at 8:58 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by brewer - February 12, 2018 at 9:12 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Amarok - February 12, 2018 at 9:16 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by brewer - February 12, 2018 at 9:22 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Amarok - February 12, 2018 at 9:26 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by brewer - February 12, 2018 at 9:27 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 12, 2018 at 9:45 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Wyrd of Gawd - February 13, 2018 at 7:11 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 12, 2018 at 10:53 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2018 at 10:58 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 12, 2018 at 11:27 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 12, 2018 at 11:43 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 12:22 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 12:46 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 13, 2018 at 1:14 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 1:39 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 1:56 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 13, 2018 at 2:01 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 2:32 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 2:46 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 2:54 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by vulcanlogician - February 13, 2018 at 3:15 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by GUBU - February 14, 2018 at 2:56 pm
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - February 13, 2018 at 3:31 am
RE: Did Muhammad exist? - by Minimalist - February 13, 2018 at 7:50 pm

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