Question for the heterosexual men of AF

[henryp]

If the choice was this person and nobody ever, it'd be a different decision.  Then I'd start rationalizing using the arguments your making.  Well, it's not a penis anymore.  And it looks like a normal vagina.  It's an unrealistic hypothetical about a different version of me, so who knows where I'd end up.

The point is, if every time you think of the person you're attracted to you are triggered to think about something else you find unattractive because reasons... that doesn't mean you are no longer attracted to the person when it has absolutely nothing to do with it.

If I love apple pies but every time I think of one I'm reminded of dog shit and feel yucky and don't feel in the mood for apple pie.... that doesn't mean I don't like apple pies even if I am completely convinced that it does mean that and  I say "apple pies are ruined for me" (that's deluded they're not ruined for me at all, I just keep thinking about dog shit. The experience of enjoying tasty apple pie is ruined, but I still like apple pie, I'm just not able to access that experience anymore because dog shit), it means I don't like dog shit, it doesn't mean that I don't like apple pie, and it means that something weird and irrelevant has triggered that thinking-about-dogshit response in me.

And in the case of transwomen, I think transphobia has triggered it.

If the apple pie was baked in a tin that used to be used for collecting dog shit.  But you know the tin has been cleaned and has no more dogshit on it.  But you'd still have that association.  At one point the tin was filled with dogshit.  Maybe someone even has a picture of pie plate filled with dogshit.  If you could just go get a apple pie baked on a non dogshit tin, and you did instead of eating out of the dogshit tin, I don't think that'd be weird.

Wanting a vagina that was never a penis doesn't seem radical.  I'd almost say it's more homophobic than transphobic.  

For example, if it was a supermodel biological female, who identified as a man, but had no intentions of going through any surgeries.  Making that work would be a completely different set of issues compared to the penis issue.  That would be a 'gender' situation.  The penis-vagina situation would be a biological hangup.