Question for the heterosexual men of AF

[paulpablo]

I disagree that a trans male to female person never had a penis.  Just for the simple fact that they did

WOW! What an incredible argument /sarcasm

The point is "they", their identity, is not the same thing as their body. The self is the personality, and their personality didn't match a penis, nor did their personality "have a penis", the body that inhabited their personality did. And there was a sense in which it wasn't a body that was truly theirs, it was merely a body they inhabited. They felt like a stranger in that body, and that is the dysphoria that transpeople experience that you do not seem to grasp.

If you're talking about raw primitive sexual attraction in my opinion it's safe to say there's some subconscious level of attraction between any straight people who have ovaries and sperm, and even beyond that sexual attraction towards any representation that there's a possibility of the ovaries and sperm being around.  
A straight man will have some level of attraction towards a rubber vagina, a cartoon drawing of one, pixels on a screen, whatever it is. Even if the sexual attraction is as low level as eyes being drawn to look at it due to primitive sexual interest.   

Again though, we're not talking about rubber vaginas or poor imitations of vaginas. We're talking about artifical vaginas so convincing and attached to people so convincing that you literally wouldn't know the difference if you were ever told that there was one.

You could be more attracted to them than any other ciswoman, simply because they look like a very attractive ciswoman and you're unable to tell the difference. The fact you'd start thinking about what they were rather than what they are (or as I said, it wasn't really them that was that way before, it was the body they felt like a stranger inside).... and what has that got to do with anything? If you continue to look at the transwoman and find their personality and body to be just as attractive as before you knew they were trans.... the fact that you can't stop thinking about penises and the penis that is no longer relevant.... says nothing about your repulsion to them and everything about your repulsion to your obsession with penises and thinking about a specific penis you've never seen outside your own imagination, and has absolutely nothing to do with the person you're still attracted to, but pretending not to be, because you can't stop thinking about penises. If a repulsion to penis gets away with your being mindful of a person you're still attracted to for all the exact same reasons as before, then that's not the same thing as actually no longer being attracted to them.

In relation to the first bolded part, the point I'm trying to make is that there is at least primitive sexual attraction to any sort of representation of what might be a signs of a healthy fertile female but that it isn't an indication of sexual attraction as a whole as it's commonly talked about.  Because people aren't entirely governed in terms of sexual preferences by basic sexual instinct and they're also nullified by conscious ideas and thoughts and they can affect fairly primitive feelings of disgust.  

For an example, straight males are attracted at a primitive level to any sort of representation of what might be signs of a healthy fertile female, at a less basic level than that there's very commonly at least some level of disgust at having sex with close family members no matter how sexually attractive they are.
I don't have sisters, but I imagine it's possible for a man to be checking out a girl from behind and feel sexual attraction then feel repulsion when he realizes it's his sister.  
It's not that he's pretending to not be attracted, but also I'd say it's not that there isn't a level of primitive sexual urge still there, it's just been nullified by conscious disgust at a more intricate level of the brain. This is just a guess since I imagine sexual attraction is a way more earlier occurrence in evolution than disgust of incest in any animals brain.

And I don't believe that one part of the brain or one instinct indefinitely governs the other, I think sexual urges can nullify disgust and vice versa, and it's fluctuating based on levels of sexual urges (horniness) and varying levels and ideas of disgust.

The second part bolded, it was them that was that way before.

The third part bolded,  I have a sexual repulsion to the idea of a vagina cavity being made out of a surgically altered penis.  That's not an obsession, it's actually not even a deep thought, it's a basic sexual repulsion to the idea.


I don't believe it's equal to a phobia, or can be compared to racism.