(May 20, 2009 at 4:59 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote:(May 20, 2009 at 4:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I've answered that question many many times here. You see no difference between what is empty & meaningless and what holds reason.Without evidence, how do you decide what is meaningless, and what isn't?
Using rationalisation
(May 20, 2009 at 4:59 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote:(May 20, 2009 at 4:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(May 19, 2009 at 4:48 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote:(May 19, 2009 at 5:15 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Because I reasoned that the leap of faith would be worthwhile based on observations in the bible that applied to my own life.
Any chance you'll share these observations?
You want me to share the entire bible?!
sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you meant that you had observed things that applied.
So you're saying that everything in the bible is direct observation?
I didn't say that. There are observations of God. Of Gods involvement & interactions with humans...
(May 20, 2009 at 4:59 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote:(May 20, 2009 at 4:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The bible is all true. The bible isn't all literal.
How can something be true, but not literally true?
God didn't 'literally' create the universe in 6 days, as we define day = 24 hours. there wasn't actually a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. etc.. These are statements of truth not concerning literal truth.
(May 20, 2009 at 4:59 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote:(May 20, 2009 at 4:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Show me where in the Bible it says that the Sun orbits the earth.
Psalm 93:
The world is firmly established;
it cannot be moved.
In Joshua 10, the sun is made to "stand still". But in a solar-centric model of the solar system this is meaningless.
Psalm 93 - you can't be serious!
Very obviously the story in Joshua is allegorical. I'll place you in the nutters pigeonhole with the Creationists then.
(May 20, 2009 at 4:59 pm)lilphil1989 Wrote:(May 20, 2009 at 4:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: The act of faith is also beneficial in itself.
How so?
It follows the logic. Brings the benefits promised from the rationalisations leading to the reasons for leaping.