RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 24, 2018 at 1:24 am
(This post was last modified: August 24, 2018 at 2:06 am by Huggy Bear.)
(August 22, 2018 at 8:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(August 22, 2018 at 7:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Are we just going to play dumb now? The fact that Jeffrey Dahmer killed and ate people would be in direct violation of the whole "love thy neighbor" bit now wouldn't it?
But Jeffrey Dahmer did love his neighbor! The only person being dumb here is you, Huggy. I asked you where your morals come from and you quote me what you think are moral truths. That doesn't answer the question of where these morals came from. It only tells me that you think those commands are moral. I presume that you think morals such as "love thy neighbor" come from God. Which gets us back to the original question. Where did God get his morals from? If he didn't get them from anywhere but himself, then they are just arbitrary, they are simply whatever he happened to believe for no particular reason whatsoever, he just pulled them out of his ass. If that's the case, then his morals are no better than ones that I make up on my own out of thin air. If there is no foundation for his morals, then they are no more right than anybody else's ideas on morals.
So I'll ask you again, if you get your morals from God, where did he get his morals from?
Still playing dumb I see..
God is omniscient, which by definition means his decisions are always perfect, they cannot be improved upon.
God is love, and love encompasses everything that is right and good, therefore 'love' is inherently moral.
Where there is no love, then there is need for law, for love does not need to be told how to behave.
If you love your spouse, you do not have to be told "thou shalt not commit adultery", because if you truly loved your spouse you would have no desire to have an affair.
Love is selfless: "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
If love is selfless then it's behavior in a moral sense is always objective.