Homosexuals and Heaven

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I'm sure it's not bad when a straight couple who simply can't have babies adopt. Why is the feeling different for gays?

I don't think its bad for homosexual couples to adopt. I think its great that children are given homes where people love and care for them. A lot of preparation goes into adoption. I'm saying that some people want children of their own bodies and biologically this cannot be so for same sex couples the child will belong to one or the other. Stating that doesn't mean children won't be loved or valued.

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But you are judging those groups of people! The whole point of this was that you were explaining why they were wrong! So for me, a serial 'fornicator', you are telling me that what I do is wrong, ergo you are by proxy judging me. Why wouldn't a homosexual be offended when you're saying that homosexuals cannot fully enjoy raising a child because it has genetic input from someone else?

El Dinero,
Once again unless you admit yourself to be in a group how am I to know you are there? Also, wouldn't you say that judgement comes with intentional mockery or disgust or pity? Let's pretend it's just you and me speaking for a minute and now that I know you're a fornicator I will reiterate what I said in a sweeping statement, but I will say it the way that I would if we were in person at a pub. "El, thanks for trusting me enough to admit that you fornicate, I know you're not into the bible so can I just say this? You've been pretty nice to me, which makes me think you value some of my opinion. Just be careful because that kind of lifestyle has the potential to give you an STD or maybe even pregnancy, also sometimes when people date for a long time, or have an open relationship the decision for a committed relationship is put off or can cause issues with trust if a marriage does happen because of past partners and past behavior. Of course it doesn't always pan out like that, it didn't for me. I just want to see you healthy and happy, so watch out for yourself." If it were just you and me that's how I would say it because I want you to protect your body and most importantly your heart. I don't think that sweeping statement was judgmental, like in church when a preacher speaks of a thief, unless someone jumps to their feet "you're judging me!" the pastor doesn't know if there are any thieves in the audience, but it is confronting to hear it and that's what we call "conviction."

Know this. A real friend will confront you, I know, I've been confronted and made some of the best decisions because the people around me love me and they want to see me healthy, happy and successful. If they didn't love me they wouldn't approach me or tell me when I'm doing something that has the potential to harm me. Again, I was speaking about why these sexual acts are wrong without using biblical sources to back me up. I'm telling you from a logical point of view, and if you want to take it personal then I can't stop you, but when something is wrong don't we choose if we're going to continue doing that action? I never said it's wrong so stop. I said it's wrong. I'm not your parent, I won't be monitoring you, have I ever asked about your sex life?

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So basically, homosexual relationships are wrong even though you admit they are every bit as loving and committed as heterosexual ones, marriage is better except in the cases where it isn't, pre-marital sex leads to trust issues except when it doesn't, and people who can't naturally conceive can't fully enjoy raising a child, except in the cases where they can.

I'm done with this. Your views are offensive, self-contradictory in nature and outdated.

Do you like for every person to agree with you? Is this the first time someone has shown an opposing view? I did not contradict myself, you just refused to accept my reasoning. I explain to you that the simple fact that bodies of the same gender cannot come together, therefore by nature this combination is wrong, but your emotions are leading you, so you cannot understand me. There are no absolutes when it comes to relationships. There is no contradiction when someone leaves room for error, for the circumstance where things work out and when they don't. Be done with me if you want, but know that I am entitled to share my opinion.