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Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism.
(October 12, 2011 at 1:10 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Point 1. "Until you have something of substance, there is nothing to consider."

So how is a business 'substance'? before it exists or after its function is defined?

Point 2. "If we were to allow function to provide a sort of indirect observation that function would have to align itself to some actual observation."

We observe what's in the universe to have certain function. To make sense of the universe, we apply God. God is that answer.

You might propose another answer. This is the subject in hand: function & not material.

" For example, if the function of god was to save human beings and bring their spirit closer to itself, one would need to observe a spirit. If it were to punish the wicked, one would have to show that the wicked are punished along the lines drawn in a manner that is beyond our control or ability. If it were to create us, one would need to show that we were in fact created. See, it's not difficult to think these things up, and you should know that, since that's what classical apologetics are all about, start to finish. "

All of which we can see to be true from a Christian perspective, so you have proved it.

You're not seriously asking me why a business is "substance" are you. Drivel. Incorporation papers, taxes, wages, invoices, physical assets, etc etc etc. If asked to demonstrate whether or not a business exists it only takes one phone call to be armed with all of the evidence one needs.

Great claim following. The universe has a certain function. God makes the universe "make sense". What is that function? How have you determined this to be the function? What predictions can be made based upon that function? How does god fit into this function? What can then be observed about god from within the boundaries of this function? How have you determined this? What predictions can be made based upon this observation?

Top it off with the cherry of the the subjectivity of truth? Glad to know that ones perspective has anything at all to due with whether or not one is presenting a factually accurate description of reality. :Confusedigh::

I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 9:32 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 9:53 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by ElDinero - October 11, 2011 at 10:08 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 10:13 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Erinome - October 11, 2011 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 11, 2011 at 9:51 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Erinome - October 11, 2011 at 9:55 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 9:57 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 10:06 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Erinome - October 11, 2011 at 10:11 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Jaysyn - October 11, 2011 at 10:20 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 10:26 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Erinome - October 11, 2011 at 10:33 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Cinjin - October 11, 2011 at 10:37 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Ace Otana - October 11, 2011 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Jaysyn - October 11, 2011 at 10:38 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 10:42 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Erinome - October 11, 2011 at 10:49 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Jaysyn - October 11, 2011 at 10:49 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 10:54 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Jaysyn - October 11, 2011 at 10:57 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 11:00 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Jaysyn - October 11, 2011 at 11:08 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by ElDinero - October 11, 2011 at 10:32 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 10:39 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Jaysyn - October 11, 2011 at 10:42 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 11, 2011 at 9:56 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Erinome - October 11, 2011 at 10:00 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 11, 2011 at 10:14 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Nappeun - October 11, 2011 at 10:04 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 11, 2011 at 10:17 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Ace Otana - October 11, 2011 at 10:26 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by ElDinero - October 11, 2011 at 10:42 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by sonofodin - October 11, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Erinome - October 11, 2011 at 10:54 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Cinjin - October 11, 2011 at 11:03 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Cinjin - October 11, 2011 at 10:55 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Ace Otana - October 11, 2011 at 10:52 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Heather - October 11, 2011 at 11:35 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by ElDinero - October 11, 2011 at 11:40 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Heather - October 11, 2011 at 11:41 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 11, 2011 at 12:07 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Jaysyn - October 11, 2011 at 12:29 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 11, 2011 at 1:10 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by LastPoet - October 11, 2011 at 12:24 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by LastPoet - October 11, 2011 at 12:44 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Ace Otana - October 11, 2011 at 1:25 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 11, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 12, 2011 at 3:30 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Simon Moon - October 11, 2011 at 8:35 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 12, 2011 at 4:43 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 12, 2011 at 8:13 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Ace Otana - October 12, 2011 at 10:03 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by frankiej - October 12, 2011 at 4:49 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by ElDinero - October 12, 2011 at 7:52 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by frankiej - October 12, 2011 at 6:23 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Ace Otana - October 12, 2011 at 6:25 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by frankiej - October 12, 2011 at 6:53 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by frankiej - October 12, 2011 at 7:57 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Welsh cake - October 12, 2011 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Erinome - October 12, 2011 at 8:53 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 12, 2011 at 11:37 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 12, 2011 at 1:10 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 15, 2011 at 7:37 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Epimethean - October 12, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2011 at 2:45 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Nappeun - October 12, 2011 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by chris - October 12, 2011 at 6:09 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Epimethean - October 13, 2011 at 12:29 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 16, 2011 at 7:21 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Epimethean - October 16, 2011 at 9:18 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by IATIA - October 16, 2011 at 10:35 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 16, 2011 at 12:32 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by IATIA - October 16, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Epimethean - October 16, 2011 at 10:55 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 17, 2011 at 5:48 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Ace Otana - October 17, 2011 at 9:45 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by fr0d0 - October 17, 2011 at 5:51 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Lehrling - October 22, 2011 at 10:44 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Epimethean - October 17, 2011 at 5:59 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Cyberman - October 22, 2011 at 11:14 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Lehrling - October 22, 2011 at 11:54 pm
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by ElDinero - October 23, 2011 at 5:16 am
RE: Atheism is just as irrational as Theism. - by Lehrling - October 23, 2011 at 4:43 pm

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