So much for a casual joke, but ok we can take this down a serious thread.
regardless of whether you find the underlying beliefs tenable or factual, they are beliefs. It's only wishful if it isn't true. It is only lower than other wishful thinking if it has less positive effects.
The belief itself also has material tools (dogma, Bible, doctrine) to tie it to reality, making it not wishful. The group of believers have many positive effects for the community we live and serve in, based on their doctrine's direction. You may have meant delusional, not wishful.
(July 10, 2019 at 4:45 pm)Aegon Wrote: I fail to see that in any of the Abrahamic religions. Can you show me how Christianity does?Sure, look up sanctification. It's a really common Christian dictate.
(July 10, 2019 at 6:11 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I don't think you quite grasp the concept of either "higher" or "wishful thinking". Allow me to illustrate the concepts with examples:
For example:
Believing there is a sky daddy isn't higher than wishful thinking. It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.
Believing morality will be given down onto you isn't higher than wishful thinking It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.
Feeling truth is buttressed by a poll of the less educated and informed isn't higher than wishful thinking It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.
Feeling religion is or ever can be anything other than wishful thinking isn't higher than wishful thinking It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.
regardless of whether you find the underlying beliefs tenable or factual, they are beliefs. It's only wishful if it isn't true. It is only lower than other wishful thinking if it has less positive effects.
The belief itself also has material tools (dogma, Bible, doctrine) to tie it to reality, making it not wishful. The group of believers have many positive effects for the community we live and serve in, based on their doctrine's direction. You may have meant delusional, not wishful.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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