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The Simple Truth about Light
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RE: The Simple Truth about Light
(July 11, 2019 at 8:58 am)Itackattack Wrote: So much for a casual joke, but ok we can take this down a serious thread.

(July 10, 2019 at 4:45 pm)Aegon Wrote: I fail to see that in any of the Abrahamic religions. Can you show me how Christianity does?
Sure, look up sanctification. It's a really common Christian dictate.

(July 10, 2019 at 6:11 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I don't think you quite grasp the concept of either "higher" or "wishful thinking".   Allow me to illustrate the concepts with examples:

For example:

Believing there is a sky daddy isn't higher than wishful thinking.   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Believing morality will be given down onto you isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling truth is buttressed by a poll of the less educated and informed isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

Feeling religion is or ever can be anything other than wishful thinking isn't higher than wishful thinking   It is wishful thinking and rather lower than most other variety of wishful thinking.

regardless of whether you find the underlying beliefs tenable or factual, they are beliefs. It's only wishful if it isn't true. It is only lower than other wishful thinking if it has less positive effects.
The belief itself also has material tools (dogma, Bible, doctrine) to tie it to reality, making it not wishful. The group of believers have many positive effects for the community we live and serve in, based on their doctrine's direction. You may have meant delusional, not wishful.

No.  A belief does not become wishful merely because it is untrue.  A wishful belief can still be coincidentally true.  Any sincere search for belief that is true in the sense of bearing strong reliable correlation to, and pristine power of, reality will likely arrive at its eventually goal through a succession of intermediate stages of untrue or partially untrue beliefs.   A belief is wishful if its primary foundation is the believer’s wish for it to be true. The intermediate stages that are untrue need not to be wishful.   In fact a diligent and sincere search for the truth ensures that all the intermediate beliefs that are untrue, are not wishful.

Again, A belief is wishful if its primary foundation is the believer’s wish for it to be true.  The fact that a wishful thinking person does not wish to appear to be a worthless wish-thinker, and so correl convenient flimflam that gained counterfeit credibility amongst the uncritical from its long success in the practice of its con, such as the Bible, or your Jesus, as fraudulent evidence for his beliefs does not make him less of a wishthinker, but rather a more abstinent, less self-critical one less capable of any elevation above the sad state than the ordinary wishthinker.

A wishthinking belief is not higher or lower in this sense because of some cherry picked effects that can be selected to show case it, or implicate it.  In fact to judge it on this basis is wishthinking in itself. (I wish this belief was true because believing it to be true has good effects, therefore it is true).   A belief is higher or lower in inverse proportion to the amount of intellectual laxity implied of the person in holding it, and in the amount and extent of threats, fraud and deceit built into itself for the purpose of its own propagation by making the weak witted wish more strongly that it were true, such as you won’t be “saved” if you don’t believe it, and will be saved (for perhaps eternal sucking of Jesus cock?) if you did believe it.
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The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - June 30, 2019 at 4:54 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LadyForCamus - June 30, 2019 at 6:16 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - June 30, 2019 at 8:02 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LadyForCamus - June 30, 2019 at 9:59 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 1, 2019 at 12:20 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LadyForCamus - July 1, 2019 at 7:21 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Aegon - July 3, 2019 at 10:27 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LadyForCamus - July 8, 2019 at 11:52 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Anomalocaris - July 9, 2019 at 2:06 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LadyForCamus - July 9, 2019 at 10:48 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 9, 2019 at 11:42 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Aegon - July 10, 2019 at 10:57 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Anomalocaris - July 10, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Aegon - July 10, 2019 at 4:45 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by tackattack - July 10, 2019 at 3:28 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Sal - July 10, 2019 at 4:33 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Anomalocaris - July 10, 2019 at 6:11 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 11, 2019 at 1:11 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by chimp3 - July 4, 2019 at 7:08 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 4, 2019 at 7:45 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Nay_Sayer - July 4, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 5, 2019 at 2:27 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by chimp3 - July 4, 2019 at 7:59 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 4, 2019 at 10:31 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LadyForCamus - July 5, 2019 at 4:02 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 9, 2019 at 1:49 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Amarok - July 8, 2019 at 7:01 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Anomalocaris - July 1, 2019 at 1:17 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Nay_Sayer - July 1, 2019 at 2:45 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LadyForCamus - July 2, 2019 at 9:35 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by brewer - June 30, 2019 at 6:39 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 30, 2019 at 7:54 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Sal - June 30, 2019 at 8:32 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by brewer - June 30, 2019 at 10:06 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Succubus - July 1, 2019 at 2:41 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LastPoet - July 1, 2019 at 8:03 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Rhizomorph13 - July 1, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 2, 2019 at 1:10 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Abaddon_ire - July 2, 2019 at 6:36 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Amarok - July 2, 2019 at 7:28 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Cod - July 2, 2019 at 9:22 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Fireball - July 2, 2019 at 1:08 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 3, 2019 at 1:05 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Cod - July 3, 2019 at 9:20 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by squidfetish - July 1, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LastPoet - July 1, 2019 at 1:28 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Rhizomorph13 - July 2, 2019 at 1:05 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Peebo-Thuhlu - July 3, 2019 at 1:33 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by polymath257 - July 3, 2019 at 10:24 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 4, 2019 at 6:57 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Amarok - July 4, 2019 at 9:03 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LadyForCamus - July 10, 2019 at 11:37 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Aegon - July 10, 2019 at 12:42 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Amarok - July 10, 2019 at 5:17 pm
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Haipule - July 11, 2019 at 4:25 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by tackattack - July 11, 2019 at 8:58 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by LadyForCamus - July 11, 2019 at 9:45 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Aegon - July 11, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: The Simple Truth about Light - by Anomalocaris - July 11, 2019 at 11:22 am

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