RE: A timeless being cannot create
July 17, 2019 at 9:38 am
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2019 at 9:42 am by Anomalocaris.)
(July 17, 2019 at 9:22 am)tackattack Wrote:(July 17, 2019 at 12:55 am)mcc1789 Wrote: I think there's a logical argument to be made against God's existence here on the basis of incompatible properties. God is outside time, we're told. He's not only eternal (existing forever) but also unaffected by temporal changes. He is after all the creator too, and that includes time. Yet when something is created, it comes into being. That entails a previous instance where it didn't exist of course. Yet if time itself was created, that makes no sense. To speak of a time "before" time is meaningless. Moreover, how does a timeless being create while outside time (and space as well)? A creation involves a change in space and time. It's enough to see how this could be done by a lesser being. How though could it be with a timeless being? I suggest it's incoherent, and the very fact that things do exist shows that such a being (i.e. God) doesn't. What do you think?
If He is a personal God that "walks in the garden" with his creation, your fault is in your definition of "unaffected by temporal changes" . God is eternal, consistent and He is eternally Himself is usually the definition.
He is only eternally himself if he is absolutely static and does nothing whatsoever.
It is like saying god is by definition 2+2=5 and never wrong in his math.
Concocting a definition does not make the ill conceived ignoramus fantasy Less ill conceived, less revealing of the ignorance of the fantasist, or less of a fantasy.
That a definition like this can be claimed only shows how shallow the concept of god is, and how pathetically besotted the adherents to this fantasy have become.
