RE: A timeless being cannot create
July 20, 2019 at 5:25 am
(This post was last modified: July 20, 2019 at 5:37 am by Bucky Ball.)
(July 17, 2019 at 4:27 am)Belaqua Wrote: I wonder if this is so...
If there is no space and time yet, then there can be no change in space and time. So creation doesn't change space and time -- it makes space and time.
I don't think it makes sense to imagine a big blank space hanging around in time waiting for creation, and then changing. There was no blank space and no hanging-around time.
No one says there is a change in space-time. The language used to describe what is going on is incoherent.
"Makes" is a *temporal process*. Time is assumed in the process. Creation is a process. Time is assumed.
There is no "waiting for creating". Waiting assumes time.
Virtually every concept and statement theists use to talk about and describe things about their gods, assumes time, and a temporal environment.
"Doing" anything, (including a sentient being having "thoughts") requires time. The only thing we have any evidence of here is space-time.
"Outside" space-time is a SPATIAL concept, and there is no "outside" if space does not exist. It's yet another example of a concept borrowed from an environment WITH space-time, slapped onto one they claim oes not have it.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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