(December 17, 2019 at 1:09 pm)maxolla Wrote:(December 16, 2019 at 4:13 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: You do understand that atheists disbelief in the existence of ALL gods, even deist or pantheist gods, not just those gods associated with specific religions, right?
The only criteria I have to use, is has a god been demonstrated to exist. Until that occurs, I don't care what individual religions claim.
It doesn't require the assessment of specific religions to understand that NO god has ever been demonstrated to exist. In fact, religious leaders, holy texts, believers claims, can all be dismissed, until a god is demonstrated to exist. Only after a god is demonstrated to exist, can we then begin to try to discern if it a god of a specific religion, and described in any religious book.
What would be a proper demonstration of existence? What would a God have to do to prove to you that it existed?
Those are good questions. I don't know the answer but so far all of my experience with religion has failed to provide that proof. I would imagine a being worthy of the title "God" would be able to provide proof OR it has a plan in obscuring itself and would would be benevolent enough to NOT condemn me for my failure to believe.
I provide a reverse Pascal's Wager:
God is purposely obscuring Themself so as to occlude all possible experience that They exist
By design you are not meant to experience God
When you die and are before the Fountain you will be asked if you believe in God, if no, you will get into the full monty Cliborg (My God doesn't believe in heaven or hell instead They have Cliborg), if you say yes you will be asked to prove God exists and when you CAN'T as you couldn't your whole life, you will be sent to...
...Cliborg lite a dimmer version of Cliborg but still pretty great because my God isn't a lame douch nozzle
SO by believing in God without any good reason you are condemning yourself to Cliborg Lite but no worries because it is still pretty great.
QED