(October 24, 2011 at 10:29 am)ElDinero Wrote:(October 24, 2011 at 9:06 am)salty Wrote: Heaven won't accomodate anything that is recognized as sin to God, it's a place where the Lord is giving us the body and mind that he gave Jesus.
So everyone will act more or less the same then, that's what I thought. People don't work this way.
It sounds to me like you think that we will lose our individuality. We won't, God loves us and is excited to see us redeemed without flaw as we will be in Heaven. To be given the body and mind of Jesus is not to become Jesus in person, but to in fact rise into a person that is enjoys the Lord's ways because that person finds God's ways holy and trustworthy!
(October 24, 2011 at 10:29 am)ElDinero Wrote:salty Wrote:I know what you mean by desiring to do what you want to do, whether it's called "sin" or not...to sleep with people you desire, to drink, to do things your way here and there. But do those things really define you? Aren't people usually defined by the things that make them proud? The things that make them "worthy" in the sight of people the love? You invite your loved ones to your graduation because you're proud of the effort that you put into achieving a higher level of education, do you then invite them to your orgy because you want them to know another part of yourself that you're proud of? Doesn't that seem unfit? Doesn't it seem more appropriate for your loved ones to know that you enjoy doing good, than for them to know that you enjoying doing things to your body that are less than healthy?
What if they do define me? Answer the question instead of suggesting alternatives. What if the thing I'm most proud of in the world is sleeping with a ton of women? What if I have a son who looks up to me because when I was his age I was a lothario and put it about like a trooper?
The point remains either way - my hedonistic attitude is a major part of me, yes. It's part of why I laugh so much, it's part of why I love joking around and why I have a love of life. So yes, you could certainly say they contribute to the way I'm defined. The physical act of getting hammered or having sex is one part of a larger approach, but they are things I enjoy doing. If you take away those things, then I am not me, am I?
Since you've already told me those things aren't allowed in heaven, you've got two options. Either there is no free will in heaven, or you think I'm going somewhere else. Over to you.
Freewill revolves around choices.
Heaven will not lack choices, therefore freewill will be present. Sin will be eradicated but not forgotten, we will have reached a point where we do not have the desire to do evil because we are firmly reconnected to God, we know the consequences of evil, we remember sin and we will eventually know who made it to heaven and who didnt and why. All secrets will be revealed to us, all things done in the dark will be brought to light, every person's trial before the Lord will be public. If you think that freewill will die with the eradication of evil, then you never understood that the angels chose whether to side with Lucifer or God before evil was even realized on earth. Everyone, angel and man is given a choice...freewill, our choices will lead to our final resting place.
If you choose sex to define you, then you're not seeking heaven as your resting place.
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6