RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 26, 2011 at 10:03 am
(This post was last modified: October 26, 2011 at 10:09 am by salty.)
(October 26, 2011 at 9:43 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: And I think falling prey to them shows you can't handle being an adult.
If I got pissed every time Eld called me an idiot about something, especially personally, I'd spend my life in such a state I'd kill myself.
It's called growing up and getting over it.
(October 26, 2011 at 9:43 am)salty Wrote: A person need only go back to your restricted examples of drunkness and sex to see that you have little understanding of what freewill means and a weak basis for how it is used.
Explain please?
http://atheistforums.org/thread-5497-page-11.html (post #105)
http://atheistforums.org/thread-5497-page-12.html (post #114)
http://atheistforums.org/thread-5497-page-18.html (post #179)
All he is concerned about is if he can get down, what I'm trying to clarify is that heaven will not be established on those terms.
lucent already made it clear what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to have a reasonable argument.
(October 26, 2011 at 9:45 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:(October 26, 2011 at 9:37 am)lucent Wrote:(October 26, 2011 at 9:25 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: And ignoring the insults and concentrating on the argument they did or didn't give back is too much to ask?
You're in our sandbox now. I asked this place to not be so hostile. I also asked theists to grow a thicker skin.
It's entirely possible to have intellectually rewarding conversations about God free from acrimony. I know, because I've had them. There are thoughtful atheists out there who are willing to engage and have a reasoned debate that actually gets farther than "god is a fairytale and youre a moron". I don't know particularly what is poisoning the atmosphere here, but from I have gathered it is a selective enforcement of the rules. The reasoning I have heard is..theists mistreat atheists in their forums, therefore, we get to mistreat theists here. Well, even if that were universally true, which I know it isn't, it certainly doesn't speak to the claim that atheism is in any wise superior to theism. Rather, it shows it is petty and vindictive.
Oh dear ...childish hissy fit... Eh luce?
I doubt very much that you have had any intellectual debates or discussions ever , if what you have posted to date is any guide.
Thing is my dear is that you have not put forward anything worthy of discussion to date. You have taken the moral high ground in all your statements and then have cried wolf when someone challenges you; as you are doing now.
You missed the whole point. He's trying to explain that all parties in a discussion are worthy of respectful listening, it doesn't mean you need to agree, but to listen and the person that can respond without needing to put someone down is the true listener and the conversations can go farther and be deeper.
"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him." Hebrews 11:6