RE: Is there free will in heaven?
October 26, 2011 at 11:37 pm
(This post was last modified: October 26, 2011 at 11:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Well, what happens everyday is the result of our environment (natural disasters) our society (crime, war etc) and our biology (death and disease). That's what happens everyday in the real world. I can't hold a grudge against a tornado because it isn't a thinking being can I?
A thinking being flooding the earth in xenocidal rage is in no way equivalent to this. Cursing babies with boils and eventual death for the indiscretions of their parents is in no way equivalent to this. Turning women into pillars of salt is in no way equivalent to this. I could go on and on and on.
Maybe you don't feel that you have a right to question tyranny or despotism, and there are people out there that would love to have you join their cause if you feel that way, but I do question these things. Don't make me Godwin this thread. Claiming that "god has nothing to be forgiven for because he is sovereign" is the tired old might makes right bullshit, and I'd love to see you apply that to an earthly dictator. Ironically I agree with you, in part. God doesn't have anything to be forgiven for, because your god doesn't exist. It's his followers that get to shoulder the atrocities that actually did happen in his name. Not some bullshit flood etc. That you waive away imagined acts of depravity as A-OK (while believing that they did occur) doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in the notion that his followers aren't willing to repeat the nasty shit they've already done.
A thinking being flooding the earth in xenocidal rage is in no way equivalent to this. Cursing babies with boils and eventual death for the indiscretions of their parents is in no way equivalent to this. Turning women into pillars of salt is in no way equivalent to this. I could go on and on and on.
Maybe you don't feel that you have a right to question tyranny or despotism, and there are people out there that would love to have you join their cause if you feel that way, but I do question these things. Don't make me Godwin this thread. Claiming that "god has nothing to be forgiven for because he is sovereign" is the tired old might makes right bullshit, and I'd love to see you apply that to an earthly dictator. Ironically I agree with you, in part. God doesn't have anything to be forgiven for, because your god doesn't exist. It's his followers that get to shoulder the atrocities that actually did happen in his name. Not some bullshit flood etc. That you waive away imagined acts of depravity as A-OK (while believing that they did occur) doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in the notion that his followers aren't willing to repeat the nasty shit they've already done.
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