(November 13, 2011 at 11:12 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Who says that the xtian defintion of god is true?Yet again, you are failing to provide logical evidence either way.
The Xtian definition is set, and so you have that to address if you choose to, and you seem to be choosing to. Through belief you can find out if it's true or not, and not in any other way. You either address the problem or don't. It matters not to me either way.
(November 13, 2011 at 11:12 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: It is only logically impossible for you to know he exists empirically, if we know that the christian non-empirical definition of him is true. We don't know this, and to a rational person there is no sound basis to believe it.There is sound rational basis there for you to consider. It is your choice to act upon that either way.
(November 13, 2011 at 11:12 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: prove he exists! You can't? I can guess why!Because your illogic defies it?
(November 13, 2011 at 11:12 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:You denying evidence =/= it not being there.Quote:You state that there isn't a god. A bold claim. On what evidence? A: Because you say so.
No, not because I say so but because there is no evidence to support the existence of god and no reason to believe in a creator either.
(November 13, 2011 at 11:12 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: no evidence = no god - I can state that reasonably boldly in a debate with a theist without worrying about being shown up.Yet here you are being shown up. The burden of proof is shouldered by anyone making a claim. You have made a strong claim that there is no God and then failed to show any rational support for that claim. I'm afraid the burden is still yours.
(November 13, 2011 at 11:12 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:Yet here you are suggesting that reality is in errorQuote:I'm sorry: not good enough. This life is what you've got and you ought to face up to it rather than theorise about what might have been.
I can't believe a theist has just said that to me. With a straight face.
(November 13, 2011 at 11:12 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:You make a lot of assumptions for your supposed non assumptive stance.Quote:We have a choice and that's how it works in this reality.
Yes WE (Atheists) have a choice, theists seem not to. You're told to believe from an early age, this is not a choice. The choice given by god (believe in me as your saviour OR go to hell and suffer) is not a choice, it is an instruction to do something or pay the price.
Your choice, given God or not given God, is to suffer the hell of doing bad stuff or live in heaven and do what's right. Those are scary words I know. Reality will get you which ever way you decide to play it.