RE: Why does science always upstage God?
September 24, 2021 at 12:22 pm
(This post was last modified: September 24, 2021 at 12:39 pm by ayost.)
(September 24, 2021 at 12:15 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(September 24, 2021 at 12:07 pm)ayost Wrote: Well, what Romans is saying is that if God revealed it to you, then the message got through. You are suppressing your knowledge of God. Which I think you second sentence demonstrates pretty clearly.Well, you may be reading it wrong because of your presuppositions about the world, gods, and other people, don't you think? Not magic book, mind you, it says silly things like that all the time. My comment.
I can't see the utility in suppressing something that doesn't matter to me - the existence of a god is inconsequential to my opinion of their religions.
Quote:In what way? You don't assume that the criticisms you offered for atheists wouldn't also apply to you in that event? That you might deny the god in your living room? Suppress clear evidence?
I mean, that would clearly challenge my beliefs, I guess. I'm not sure how that matters here, though.
In fact, I posit that you have - and that your comments are clear evidence that you are suppressing the truth of zues in your living room. Or maybe you just never met the guy. 50/50?
Oh I fully expect my criticisms to cur both ways and I'm not afraid of that. I just really don't understand what you're saying. Can you be more clear?
(September 24, 2021 at 12:21 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Is there any such thing as a good christian? I don't think that a group of people who posit their own redemption through the brutal slaughter of another can be said to be good - at least not on the grounds of that shared belief. They're probably very fine people, otherwise, I'm sure. This is another truth that you're supressing in your life, despite having been presented with clear evidence to that effect by zues in your living room.
Quote:But I think the more interesting idea is morality comes from conscious choice and should be grounded in philosophy. Can we talk about that?Sure. Always good stuff.
Ok, to the first point I think I get it: you're using the tired argument that since I can't show God to you or prove His existence like I can prove the existence of my puppy, that God doesn't exist. Just like you're claiming Zues is in my living room even though you can't show him to me or prove he exists. Is that where this is going?
I do not pretend to be neutral. I have presuppositions, namely that the God of the Bible exists. And I would say you can't say anything intelligible about the world without God's existence.
You say the existence of God is inconsequential to you, yet here you are on the atheist forums attempting to suppress knowledge about God.