RE: evolution
March 15, 2022 at 12:17 pm
(This post was last modified: March 15, 2022 at 12:43 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Because there isn't. It's open to debate as to whether that's why we possess abilities A, though only barely ...that's evolutionary theory - but it's not at all difficult to quantify the advantage to human beings and even minimally self aware machines of being able to attend to and direct attention. Or being able to quantify the detriment to things which either lack this ability, or when it's functionally or physically impaired. Comically so in the case of desiring, seeking, and securing a mate. We absolutely and demonstrably do use these (or this) ability A to address our biological imperatives.
It is one of the things we use it for, regardless of whether that's why we have it. This is why I likened it to the fact of evolution, regardless of whether any given theory which seeks to explain that fact is accurate.
-and here again, just because I want to stress that I'm at a loss as to what we actually disagree about that causes our conclusion to diverge here...I can concede that maybe it only seems like minimal self awareness and abilities A premised on them are advantageous in our experience, and in the lab, and in the field - whether we're talking machines or human beings.
It's just a whole lot of oddly specific and inexplicably uniform coincidental seeming. It stretches credibility, or at least it stretches mine beyond breaking point and I can think of no possible response to any possible thing which wouldn't ultimately round down to some comment we could rinse and repeat this seeming business about. Is this an assault on the very idea of a fact, all facts in toto - or just one well reasoned bit of skepticism about a particular (asserted) fact in contention? Do you really believe, and have good reason to believe, that the human ability to perceive itself and make physical changes to itself in reference of that experience, standards of attraction, and the predicted attention of others....in order to attract a mate... is -not- reproductively advantageous? We're dressing up, we're painting ourselves, we're going to the bottom of the ocean and to the bottom of mines to adorn ourselves with rare materials, we're breaking our bodies at the gym, we're moderating our behavior for potential offense. None of it, absolutely none of it, is getting any of us laid at any rate greater than we would if we just sat at home eating cheetos and chocodiles watching maury and saying annoying things at roughly the pace of a machine gun.
That has not been my experience, nor is that, I think, a position supported by evidence...to put it mildly.
It is one of the things we use it for, regardless of whether that's why we have it. This is why I likened it to the fact of evolution, regardless of whether any given theory which seeks to explain that fact is accurate.
-and here again, just because I want to stress that I'm at a loss as to what we actually disagree about that causes our conclusion to diverge here...I can concede that maybe it only seems like minimal self awareness and abilities A premised on them are advantageous in our experience, and in the lab, and in the field - whether we're talking machines or human beings.
It's just a whole lot of oddly specific and inexplicably uniform coincidental seeming. It stretches credibility, or at least it stretches mine beyond breaking point and I can think of no possible response to any possible thing which wouldn't ultimately round down to some comment we could rinse and repeat this seeming business about. Is this an assault on the very idea of a fact, all facts in toto - or just one well reasoned bit of skepticism about a particular (asserted) fact in contention? Do you really believe, and have good reason to believe, that the human ability to perceive itself and make physical changes to itself in reference of that experience, standards of attraction, and the predicted attention of others....in order to attract a mate... is -not- reproductively advantageous? We're dressing up, we're painting ourselves, we're going to the bottom of the ocean and to the bottom of mines to adorn ourselves with rare materials, we're breaking our bodies at the gym, we're moderating our behavior for potential offense. None of it, absolutely none of it, is getting any of us laid at any rate greater than we would if we just sat at home eating cheetos and chocodiles watching maury and saying annoying things at roughly the pace of a machine gun.
That has not been my experience, nor is that, I think, a position supported by evidence...to put it mildly.
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