(June 1, 2023 at 4:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:There are entirely too many words here if your intended audience is FlatAss. j/s(June 1, 2023 at 2:27 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: I'm sorry, but what do you mean by gun control (that you are advocating)? As far as I know, gun control usually means two things:
1) Preventing mentally ill people from owning a gun.
2) Banning high-tech guns (automatics, semi-automatics...).
Do you mean something different (and hopefully less ridiculous) by "gun control"?
The vast majority of americans, either side of the aisle, strongly support enhanced gun control measures..and we're nuts. Boru might have something more aggressive in mind as a non usian, but my impression after having heard him speak at length on this topic over years, is that he's actually just this side (the conservative side, in case that wasn't clear because: english) of the "rational conservative" end of the spectrum in usian parlance, the only thing that you....yet another non-usian, apparently, understands - and poorly.
As for your 1, absolutely and ofc. Even in the swampiest parts of the magaverse, it's already illegal for crazy to have a gun. That's not even a gun control issue with respect to passing new or more stringent laws, it's a current law enforcement issue. Do you have any idea the number of people who commit gun crimes every year that by the laws in their own area at that time (to say nothing of actual competence) do not actually possess any legal firearms? Are you aware that, from the leo perspective, it;s mostly an issue of lacking some place to store confiscated weapons and worrying that a wingnut will win an extralegal or civil challenge to their confiscation? Insane...right?
As for your 2, no, a thousand times no. Should there be enhanced background and licensing (to say nothing of insuring) and monitoring and leo action around "high tech guns"? Yes, again, and again ofc? Bans - though..... what's the fucking point? They're already out there in the millions and pre-existing firearms and owners are always always always grandfathered in to any new regs. Truthfully, no conceivable usian ban will even impact me. I can sign my name and register my shit anywhere, anytime. I'm the right shade of lipstick. Some gun guys worry about putting their name on a government list, but mines been on one since I was 18, lol.
In general, the kind of shit you think you're arguing against would make me a criminal by default in an instant, and is probably too far, even, for Boru - in usian context. I'm an american "super user" and former groundpounder with a closet full of guns and you, for whatever reason, think that you are the pro-gun advocate here. I think that I should be able to own a goddamned vtol attack aircraft mit missiles if I fill out the paperwork and provide adequate storage. It's my 50milUSD after all, and I have never once been (and never will be, trust that) convicted of any crime in the us justice system....right? Roll that around in your head a bit. You might realize that it's exactly the sort of wingnut shit you're stuck on that is going to ruin guns for everybody. They will be banned, rightly or wrongly, if this is all we can expect of the opposition. We need a better class of advocate as gun owners and buffs. I've had it up to here with mealy mouthed bullshit about how people need ar15s for "pests". Unless your pests are 160lb bipedal primates with access to medical care..and so..the need of a more damaging round...... no. No you do not. I can't stand people bullshitting other people about lawless hellhole usa where you need a gun to successfully navigate to the 7-11. Bullshit. Rank...fucking...bullshit.
This is why you fail. You want to have a wingnut argument with wingnut statistics. Work on that, for guns sake?
As for crazy people not being allowed to have guns...I see a couple issues. One is, what sort of crazy shouldn't have a gun? The other issue being that a person cleared today of not being crazy may well be crazy tomorrow, or in a week, or in a couple years. That's a tough one to plan for.
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