(August 18, 2023 at 6:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(August 18, 2023 at 5:15 pm)Barry Wrote: Hi,
I’ve just joined this forum.
I see a lot of discussion about religion and Jesus and being saved. I think that in a forum for atheists the most important question is “Does God exist?”. Jesus Christ is irrelevant if he isn’t the Son of God. And all other religious faiths are meaningless if our world occurred by accident with no creator God.
So how did the world begin?
My answer is that science proves nothing can be created from nothing in our material world, so the only explanation is that something external created the world. And that is what we call God. The problem for humankind is that they don’t want to feel responsible to God, despite knowing in their hearts God exists.
Cheers Barry
Welcome to the forum, Barry.
Science doesn’t prove that ‘nothing can be created from nothing’, just the opposite - virtual particle pop into existence with comforting regularity. Additionally, there are several cosmological theories that posit the universe coming from nothing. You might try reading about scientists have to say on the subject.
‘God created the universe’ isn’t an explanation, it’s merely as assertion. If you think God created the universe, that’s fine, but you should frame it as an explanation before demanding that of others.
Good luck (you’ll need it).
Boru
Hi Boru
Thanks for the welcome. I don’t need “luck. I’m just having a friendly chat. And I am not demanding anyone believe anything. As a Catholic I don’t assert that you have to believe or be “born again” “to be saved”. I’ve had Protestants demand that of me.
Cosmological theories are not evidence. Nor popping virtual particles. Who makes them?
There are only two possibilities. God created the world. Or it just happened. Both have issues. But God has meaning, and hope. I just happen to believe 100% in God. Nobody else has to.
Cheers Barry