(September 9, 2023 at 3:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:(September 8, 2023 at 10:48 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I only use prophecies mentioned in the Quran.
If the prophecy from any other source, I denounce it as not "to be trusted".
The Quran mentions 2 main prophecies:
1-the rise of the kingdom of Israel in the end times (happened; we live in the period now):
2-the advent of Gog Magog:
These are the prophecies in the Quran about the end times' events.
Israel did become a great nation again.
The remaining sign is Gog Magog breaking loose from their barrier.
I suspect Russia & China are Gog/Magog, they will unite again when the barrier -Great Wall of China- is demolished. This my speculation.
So no, I don't use other books but the Quran.
Totally irrelevant.
Your concept in the Quran concerning the nature of "prophesy" contains the very same error (that it was somehow "prediction", ... .... which in fact it did become around the turn of the millennium, or just before, as the Essenes and Jewish Apocalypticism came into favor, (a very LATE understanding of "prophesy" which included the NT writers who used the same flawed notion of prophesy. The leader of the Essenes, ("the Son of Righteousness") was understood as the one who could fully detect the "secret meanings". You lack even the MOST basic historical facts about all religions.
No one really got all this until the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered.
So no Winterhold. The Quran makes the very same error that Christianity did regarding prediction and omen reading ... which IS EXACTLY what you're doing.
You're in no way an exception to this and you're doing exactly what was forbidden.
ETA, I have recently become aware (which is inexcusable, except as Ehrman says when asked about when he was going to expose Islam for the fraud it is, "well when I stop valuing my life")
there is a whole lot of historical questioning of the origins of the Quran. There are elements of it that are known to be taken from many cultural sources, which has been proven beyond a doubt, but it also seems there are a lot of historians who think the Quran was at least in part, extant before Muhammad was even born.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...he%20Quran.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uk-researc...%20infancy.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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