RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
December 30, 2011 at 6:41 am
(This post was last modified: December 30, 2011 at 6:56 am by Jackalope.)
(December 30, 2011 at 6:00 am)chipan Wrote: "Slaves taken as spoils of war"
yes, there are a few, however they are treated the same as described in leviticus 25. it's war, and i must say i've seen worse in war.
So? That they were treated "well" (as you claim) does not invalidate the moral issue of owning people as property (as was the case with slaves as spoils of war - they were slaves for life).
You originally made the claim that "biblical slavery" was voluntary servitude, voluntarily entered into by the person. Nice to see that you're acknowledging that it's much, much more than that.
Quote:"Children sold into servitude by their parents."
this has happened however the law still applies that the family can redeem them.
So? If they can't, they're still slaves. Again, regardless of how well you claim they had to be treated.
Quote:"Free men sentenced to servitude/slavery under court order "
are you really defending criminals? how is this servitude much worse than going to prison? i consider it an improvement, at least they're benifiting society.
I said NOTHING about criminality, not that it would matter. Biblical law allowed for people to be enslaved over DEBT.
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"None of those three cases involve voluntary servitude (not that there is anything moral about selling one's self into slavery)."
yes, however so many rules are applied to them it's like forcing them to have a job on a farm. without slavery, these people would have no life at all. they would be dieing in the thousands b/c they have no way to make a living. no matter how wrong you think it is, the fact is it's vital for low class life, just peasants in the feudal system needed to work for the nobles. they didn't complain b/c it's better than the alternative.
And you people call us moral relativists.
Let me ask you two simple questions that only need a yes or no answer.
1) Is God's law / morality objective and eternal?
2) Is slavery morally wrong today?
(December 30, 2011 at 6:00 am)chipan Wrote: no matter how wrong you think it is, the fact is it's vital for low class life, just peasants in the feudal system needed to work for the nobles. they didn't complain b/c it's better than the alternative.
Feudalism was effectively slavery. Are you serious? "They didn't complain..."?!? They had NO RECOURSE TO COMPLAIN because the noble they "worked for" owned them for all intents and purposes. The alternative was death.
After reading your posts since you've been here I can only conclude that you're woefully and willfully ignorant, not to mention berift of any sense of real morality.
