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Atheism feels shunned...
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RE: Atheism feels shunned...
(July 14, 2009 at 8:31 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Yes. What evidence is there to believe it's anything other than mechanical?
Is information mechanical?
Maybe the transfer of information or the storing proces of information but the information itself, its semantics, its meaning, its connotation?

EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:I do stuff...I say stuff - I think stuff...But any of this 'stuff' that I think, say or do - what evidence is there that i control this? When; I'd have to control the 'me' that does this 'stuff' to have any control that isn't mechanical?...And how can I control this 'me', this 'self'....if it is this 'me', this 'self' that does the controlling?...If this 'self'....is me...so how can I can control it...that would just be it controlling itself, wouldn't it?: And where's the evidence that that's possible!?
For the record, I don't say you control it.

Whether there is real control from thought to the physical or not, either way you'd perceive the 'I' and either way you would be incapable of checking if there is a real connection from thought to atom, if you somehow push the electrons around in your brain with pure willpower. Still the 'I' is what you perceive, it is undeniable. To deny 'I' you would be 'not-I' and that seems a rather unhealthy kind of situation that does not leave much room for debate with yourself. The 'I' exist but not necessarily with control over matter. I take it we agree on the fact that the 'I' exists and that there is no reason to make this existence a priori dependent on having control over matter?
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
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Atheism feels shunned... - by Pippy - July 5, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Tiberius - July 5, 2009 at 4:28 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Faith Tester - July 17, 2009 at 1:43 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 17, 2009 at 1:48 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Faith Tester - July 17, 2009 at 1:50 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 17, 2009 at 1:55 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Faith Tester - July 17, 2009 at 1:58 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Eilonnwy - July 5, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by dagda - July 5, 2009 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by leo-rcc - July 5, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Rhizomorph13 - July 5, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Tsuyoiko - July 6, 2009 at 5:41 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by padraic - July 8, 2009 at 9:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Pippy - July 9, 2009 at 7:25 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 9, 2009 at 10:03 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 9, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by dagda - July 9, 2009 at 3:27 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 9, 2009 at 3:31 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 9, 2009 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 3:18 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 12, 2009 at 6:15 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 6:57 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 12, 2009 at 9:29 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 9:46 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 12, 2009 at 12:00 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 2:47 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2009 at 4:39 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 12, 2009 at 5:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 12, 2009 at 6:16 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 14, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 14, 2009 at 8:31 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 15, 2009 at 2:58 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 15, 2009 at 5:11 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 15, 2009 at 9:35 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Pippy - July 15, 2009 at 7:05 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 15, 2009 at 7:50 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Pippy - July 15, 2009 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 15, 2009 at 8:13 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 16, 2009 at 1:59 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 16, 2009 at 7:09 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 17, 2009 at 1:18 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 17, 2009 at 3:24 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 16, 2009 at 2:24 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 16, 2009 at 3:13 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 17, 2009 at 4:37 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 17, 2009 at 5:00 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 8:11 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 9:32 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 9:49 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 17, 2009 at 5:28 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 17, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 18, 2009 at 3:09 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 6:01 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 18, 2009 at 7:08 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 7:30 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 7:14 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 20, 2009 at 7:25 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 21, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 9:58 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Tiberius - July 18, 2009 at 10:01 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 11:52 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 10:07 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 10:10 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Dotard - July 20, 2009 at 7:06 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 10:15 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 18, 2009 at 11:23 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 12:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 1:13 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 18, 2009 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 20, 2009 at 5:49 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Tiberius - July 18, 2009 at 2:14 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 18, 2009 at 3:35 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 20, 2009 at 5:23 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 20, 2009 at 5:38 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 20, 2009 at 9:06 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 20, 2009 at 8:11 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 20, 2009 at 8:43 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 20, 2009 at 10:14 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 20, 2009 at 1:08 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 20, 2009 at 9:17 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 21, 2009 at 3:26 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 21, 2009 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 22, 2009 at 5:35 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 22, 2009 at 7:15 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 22, 2009 at 2:01 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 22, 2009 at 8:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 23, 2009 at 3:40 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2009 at 3:12 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 3:58 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 23, 2009 at 8:51 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 3:17 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2009 at 3:29 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 23, 2009 at 3:45 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 23, 2009 at 5:51 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 23, 2009 at 4:26 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2009 at 8:03 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 6:02 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 23, 2009 at 6:09 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 23, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Kyuuketsuki - July 25, 2009 at 8:00 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 24, 2009 at 10:53 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 25, 2009 at 4:18 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Purple Rabbit - July 26, 2009 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by fr0d0 - July 26, 2009 at 10:06 am
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2009 at 6:33 pm
RE: Atheism feels shunned... - by maldives - August 3, 2009 at 2:23 am

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