Evidence that God exists

[Anto Kennedy]

This latest rant of yours contradicts other statements you have made and sounds like buddhism to me with no need of god at all

The goal of Buddhism is to seek union with the Divine; the unchanging, unmoving, immortal creator and destroyer of all things, and to bring your will(s) in line with this Will.

Well, that's Zen Buddhism. In the Tibetan tradition the primordial Buddha, Adi-Buddha, is the source of all things, including the Buddhas. The Tibetans teach that each of the Buddha's and Bhoddisatva's are emanations of this primordial Buddha. His other name is God.

The path to which one seeks a direct experience of the Adi-Buddha is called Dzogchen, and in some traditions is considered the only path to enlightenment.

The Zen's also seek this same experience under different names. They have a form of meditation which involves painting the enso sign continuosly whilst thinking about this God.



So while to be a Buddhist one doesn't have to believe in God, there are no articles of faith which one must accept as truth, the goal of Buddhism is direct experience of God. Or in other words, a Buddhist teacher won't try and convert you into his way of thinking, the teacher will only tell you to, 'go and see for yourself'.

What that means is we wouldn't be having futile discussions like the one we're having on wheither God exists or not, Buddhists ignore the topic completely and.....do something else.

You are arguing that your god is imaginary so yay we agree.

Only our understanding of God, indeed all the gods, are imaginary. But these perceptions are still real, otherwise, they wouldn't exist and we wouldn't be aware of them whatsoever.

The only way, barring direct personal experience, of having any understanding or knowledge of God is through the imagination, since God is not physical in nature.

And God isn't the only unphysical article of reality that is percieved through the sixth sense of the imagination.

Earlier you said, "...by giving up that life, we gain new life and a new, free will, the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Creation" so when you say that I assume that you believe in Intelligent Design because you said it by hinting at the spirit of creation,

You're still attaching an intelligence to spirit. Spirit is energy, force, power. Spirit moves, Spirit acts. Spirit doesn't think, Spirit isn't Mind. Intelligent Creation is an oxymoron, all creation is blind, since all creation involves creating something new, there is no precedent.

We do not decide the height, look, intellectual capability and behaviour of the child while we're in the process of concieving it. We do not even know it's gender. Creation is blind, creation is free. And the Spirit of Creation, the Holy Spirit, is free will.

So the irony is, we have to give up our will, to gain free will. We must throw off the shackles of the desire and fear. The impulses AND inhibitions which deny us the Will to Create Freely.

Now onto the inhibitions which we must free ourselves from. In an earlier post I mentioned that I went through an amoral phase, a phase wherein all inhibitions, and in particular, social inhibitions, were overcome. This is why withdrawing from society is so important, not only to free yourself from social obligations, but to protect yourself and others around you at this particularly dangerous phase of you're journey.

I am just trying to figure out how you allign your will with god.

After inhibitions have been removed, then the impulses. And then.....you'll just have to see for youself.

You seem to find use for god and his will gives meaning in your life.

A use? Don't know about that, but yeh, "his" will does give meaning to my life, it is the meaning of all life.

'There shalt not be nothing; create, create, create.'

I would put forth that YOU give the only meaning that you need and you lean on god only with the hope of giving yourself power through authority.

If god is just some mental model and you don't believe in his objective reality then you might as well free yourself from religious ideas altogether.

God isn't an object, God creates objects. Why would I worship an object? I'm an object too, I might aswell worship myself if God was an object. Which is probably what an atheist would think.

The fact that you can't remember how you experienced god is very dissapointing to me.

Can't really remember how, mostly I just winged it. See for youself, it ain't that hard really. Do a bit of reading, although this isn't that neccessary, go into isolation for several years, although it could take decades, who knows, and then....wait. That's what people have been doing for thousands of years, and it seems to work. Buddhists, Sufis and Eastern Christian monastic orders have worked out a system of techniques to accelerate the process and ensure the individual doesn't harm themselves either. So try an established monastic order if you can, I haphazardly walked alone like a fool, luckily I came out of it with some sanity remaining, but I wouldn't recommend that, too many risks involved.

Wikipedia is not an acceptable source of information, it is a good start but you are trying to finish our argument with it.

I haven't even begun my arguement. A wikipedia article that talks about the reality of mental objects is just a bit of a taster for what I've got coming.

I find Wikipedia an acceptable source of information myself, a lot of others would both agree and disagree. But I'm not writing a thesis, we're on an internet discussion forum, so Wikipedia certainly is an acceptable source of information in these circumstances.

Don't be such an elitist, knowledge can come from the most unlikliest of places.

You are saying that some objects of the mind are real therefore ALL objects of the mind exist which is a fallicious statement.

Felacio? Isn't that oral sex, what are you trying to say?

You've already conceded that you believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn (BBHH) and the FSM so the next logical step is to realize that ALL of them are objects of the mind, NONE of them are real

So what is you're definition of real? It's a question humans have been asking for thousands of years, and now, luckily for me, it seems someones discovered the answer.

and then you can move toward a more evidence inspired life instead of chasing fairys.

Evidence inspired life? Science regards facts, not spirituality. It gives no meaning and no purpose in life, it doesn't deal whatsoever with how we should live our lives. Science is just a tool for examining our environment, there's much more to life than knowing the mating habits of a racoon...how the hell is that supposed to inspire me into just and purposeful action?

My evidence put forward for the existence of God are the huge selection of recorded experiences of individuals who claimed to have been affected by God's Will. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire, and in this case, the Holy Fire.

It's quite weak evidence, but definately something to be investigated.