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What's not to love?
RE: What's not to love?
(May 2, 2012 at 1:28 am)Engel Wrote:
(May 2, 2012 at 1:15 am)Godschild Wrote: I did not say that, sorry should have said more, moreWinkWinkWink. What I meant was that I do not take things as the truth unless proof is given or I look into it myself. If you want to debate secular vs christian atrocities go to it, one thing you will have to prove since your making the claim, that the atrocities were ordained by a christian, that is to say the Biblical definition of a christian.
I am fairly certain that the Spanish Inquisition, the Pogroms against Jews in the Russian Empire, the Holocaust, Segregation and slavery in the United States, South Africa, and many others, as well as the fascist governments of Francisco Franco, Mussolini, and yes, even Adolf Hitler, were organized by men who claimed church membership and claimed god and religion, that is to say the Christian god, as one of their motives. This is in addition to the Crusades and the persecution of intellectuals and other threats to the Church in Europe for the better part of 1000 years. Doesn't matter if they were "biblical" or not. They claimed Christianity as their faith and motives.

If you're going to blame Christianity then you have to prove these people were biblical Christians. Just a side note here, slavery was in effect long before Christianity. Many Christians are being killed today for spreading the Gospel of Christ. Franco, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin were not Christians, by the Biblical definition. Christians, Atheist and many others were involved in slavery and the slave trade. Does matter and here's why, I could go around killing many many people and say when I was caught, that I did it because I'm an atheist, and believe my moral standard is as good as anyone else's standard, now is that fair for me to justify why I killed all those people, by claiming to be an atheist. I would think not. Prove then that all these people you believe to be christian are, by the Biblical standard.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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What's not to love? - by radorth - April 24, 2012 at 1:17 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - April 24, 2012 at 1:27 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Erinome - April 24, 2012 at 2:50 am
RE: What's not to love? - by NoMoreFaith - April 24, 2012 at 4:52 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Neo-Scholastic - April 24, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by FallentoReason - April 24, 2012 at 5:20 am
RE: What's not to love? - by radorth - April 24, 2012 at 9:57 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Zen Badger - April 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by DeistPaladin - April 25, 2012 at 10:40 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Welsh cake - April 24, 2012 at 6:29 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Godschild - April 24, 2012 at 2:38 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Anomalocaris - April 24, 2012 at 2:47 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Godschild - April 24, 2012 at 4:36 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Killman - April 25, 2012 at 5:30 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Anyse - April 26, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Anyse - April 26, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Faith No More - April 24, 2012 at 7:44 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Phil - April 24, 2012 at 11:06 am
RE: What's not to love? - by DeistPaladin - April 24, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by jess_essential - April 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by radorth - April 25, 2012 at 12:04 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 24, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Welsh cake - April 24, 2012 at 5:26 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Zen Badger - April 25, 2012 at 12:18 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Anyse - April 26, 2012 at 12:08 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - April 26, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Anyse - April 26, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - April 26, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 25, 2012 at 11:06 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Kayenneh - April 25, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Disciple - April 25, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - April 25, 2012 at 6:43 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Disciple - April 26, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - April 27, 2012 at 1:20 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Cinjin - April 27, 2012 at 1:51 am
RE: What's not to love? - by downbeatplumb - April 27, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by radorth - April 27, 2012 at 10:39 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Paul the Human - April 25, 2012 at 6:31 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 25, 2012 at 7:55 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 25, 2012 at 8:32 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Anyse - April 26, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by radorth - April 26, 2012 at 12:45 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - April 26, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: What's not to love? - by radorth - April 26, 2012 at 9:24 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 26, 2012 at 2:15 am
RE: What's not to love? - by radorth - April 26, 2012 at 9:33 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - April 26, 2012 at 10:57 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Kayenneh - April 26, 2012 at 2:32 am
RE: What's not to love? - by DeistPaladin - April 26, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2012 at 9:29 am
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2012 at 9:43 am
RE: What's not to love? - by FallentoReason - April 26, 2012 at 10:02 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 26, 2012 at 11:35 am
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2012 at 11:41 am
RE: What's not to love? - by radorth - April 27, 2012 at 12:55 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Zen Badger - April 27, 2012 at 7:15 am
RE: What's not to love? - by DeistPaladin - April 27, 2012 at 10:22 am
RE: What's not to love? - by kılıç_mehmet - April 26, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Anyse - April 26, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2012 at 12:35 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 26, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by DeistPaladin - April 26, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2012 at 1:00 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by jess_essential - April 26, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 26, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by jess_essential - April 26, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Anyse - April 26, 2012 at 4:04 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Faith No More - April 26, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - April 26, 2012 at 4:00 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 26, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Welsh cake - April 26, 2012 at 4:46 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 26, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by AthiestAtheist - April 26, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Godschild - April 26, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by AthiestAtheist - April 26, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Godschild - April 27, 2012 at 12:08 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by AthiestAtheist - April 28, 2012 at 9:23 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Godschild - April 29, 2012 at 12:29 am
RE: What's not to love? - by AthiestAtheist - April 29, 2012 at 5:35 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Mister Agenda - May 1, 2012 at 11:54 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Cinjin - April 26, 2012 at 9:17 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 26, 2012 at 9:21 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Faith No More - April 27, 2012 at 6:58 am
RE: What's not to love? - by radorth - April 27, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 27, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Faith No More - April 27, 2012 at 3:29 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 27, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Minimalist - April 28, 2012 at 12:31 am
RE: What's not to love? - by radorth - May 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Mister Agenda - May 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Jaysyn - May 1, 2012 at 2:38 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by DeistPaladin - May 1, 2012 at 6:03 pm
What's not to love? - by Zen Badger - April 28, 2012 at 12:41 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Welsh cake - April 28, 2012 at 3:22 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Cyberman - April 29, 2012 at 6:02 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by downbeatplumb - April 30, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by jess_essential - May 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Godschild - May 1, 2012 at 11:34 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Engel - May 2, 2012 at 12:13 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Godschild - May 2, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Engel - May 2, 2012 at 1:28 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Godschild - May 2, 2012 at 3:30 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Jaysyn - May 2, 2012 at 6:26 am
RE: What's not to love? - by AthiestAtheist - May 2, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by Godschild - May 2, 2012 at 6:34 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by The Grand Nudger - May 2, 2012 at 12:17 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Engel - May 2, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: What's not to love? - by DeistPaladin - May 2, 2012 at 7:09 am
RE: What's not to love? - by Paul the Human - May 2, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RE: What's not to love? - by padraic - May 2, 2012 at 7:40 pm

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