Same sex marriage

[StatCrux]

Wow, couple of month hiatus and back for more asskicking.

I thought we'd dispensed with your faulty logic ages ago.

You once again push the "devaluation of the special relationship". In what way is a relationship devalued EXACTLY, between two people of the same sex.

Force them to marry against their will to someone they have no interest in? Force them to remain in relationships bereft of the same rights as other people?

Can you honestly say that your reasoning has any reasonable basis, or merely a smoke screen for your religious beliefs disconnected with the real world. The more you try to justify it, the more you become a parody.

So finally, in what way, is the relationship between a man and a woman devalued, by same-sex marriage? Is the ONLY reason to be married, to have kids? Is that the only reason you marry someone? So you can knock them up?

You say they devalue a special relationship. I say you devalue love. I know which is the greater crime imo.

Quite simple to answer really, if something requires a set of criteria, if you need to remove some of the criteria in order to redefine it, by definition it is devalued. At present marriage is open to procreation in principle (couples who cannot have children doesn't alter the principle, therefore not relevant) If we now say that marriage is simply a union of two persons it is devalued and we lose the special procreative union as defined at present. (UK Law)

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How is your form of morality objective? I don't think you're getting this? Your criteria for "facts" is in itself just a set of beliefs about "facts" how do you know your criteria is correct for determining "facts" without reference to some other accepted truths/beliefs about reality you can't. You can't prove logic with logic, its just accepted, the same is true of God, a self evident first principle.

You are the one not getting it. The correct criteria for determining facts are the undeniable axioms of reality. They are undeniable because even in the process of denying them, you have to accept them as true. They are accepted because without accepting them, there can be no such things as facts or truth or proof or belief. Your god is not of of those axioms, he is not self-evident and, in fact, he is illogical an contra-factual.

Well I totally disagree, Gods existence is axiomatic, we can refuse to acknowledge it, but it still remains a truth, you are simply denying the very thing that gives you being and capability to deny it.