(June 9, 2012 at 10:46 am)Welsh cake Wrote: ]Because everyone has their own idea of Heaven, obviously. Just like every theist has their own unique concept or mental construct of a deity.Does every theist? The Heaven of Christianity is pretty well defined I think.
My 'heaven', is the inevitability of this chaotic nightmare of existence ending, and re-embracing the peaceful bliss of eternal oblivion.
Quote:Then its not possible to suffer in its presence. Neither it is possible to escape its presence if the being is omnipresent.First of all, "omni-benevolent" is not a word that ever is used to apply to Christianity, even though athiests love that term. Is God benevolent toward evil?
Logically, if the omni-benevolent omnipresent god is real, hell cannot exist in any shape, state or form.
But no, you can remove yourself from God (aka love) on that emotional level, rejecting him in your heart (aka Hell). That is what causes suffering.
Quote:You'll have to quit this platonic love nonsense and finally accept you're part of an evil cult that believes in an evil tyrannical deity portrayed in the immoral Bible I'm afraid. Not that you ever will of course. Without the fear of sin or the threat of hell, you have nothing.Lol what? This post suddenly took a very weird turn. It seems like you are projecting.
Quote:The annihilatists would disagree with you. You do not speak for them. They assert god is too merciful to allow the godless to exist in perpetual suffering and sin for eternity, so effectively, puts them out of their misery.Plenty of people would "disagree" with me. I am not talking to an annihilationist right now, but if I were I would tell them. "Do what I say or I will kill you" is a non-choice, at least within traditional Christianity.
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.
Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.
