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5. Coming back to Islam, I would like to know exactly what parts of your study of Islam led you to conclude that Allah does evil.

6. In relation to the above, I'm also curious to know what is it exactly about Allah and/or which of His attributes that you find contradictory.

Ok from this I am taking it that the Quran teaches that Allah is the author of evil:

The Quran calls Allah scheming (makr). S. 3:54; cf. 8:30 That is: deceptive

Verily, the hypocrites seek to deceive Allah, but it is He Who deceives them. And when they stand up for As-Salat (the prayer), they stand with laziness and to be seen of men, and they do not remember Allah but little. S. 4:142 Hilali-Khan

And (the unbelievers) schemed and planned, and Allah schemed also, and the best of schemers is Allah. S. 3:54

Are they then secure from Allah's scheme (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

Remember how the unbelievers schemed against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or to slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home). They scheme and plot, but the best of schemers is Allah. S. 8:30

And when We make people taste of mercy after an affliction touches them, lo! they devise schemes (makrun) against Our communication. Say: Allah is quicker to scheme (makran); surely Our apostles write down what you plan. S. 10:21

And those before them did indeed scheme (makara), but all scheming (al-makru) is Allah's; He knows what every soul earns, and the unbelievers shall come to know for whom is the (better) issue of the abode. S. 13:42

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme, while they perceived not. S. 27:50

This perspective on the Quran is endorsed by Muslim theologians. It isn't possible to attribute the Christian God as deceptive.

There may be more. Stay tuned.

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In other words, frodo again runs away.

Don't you find that the colour blue of the sky is really beautiful?

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Indirectly as in... isn't evil himself. As in... every positive creation brings about an opposing force.

So, you're saying that when God created something good/positive, an opposing (evil) force automatically came into existence? That God didn't even intend that to happen?

God knew it would happen and it is part of his wider plan. He didn't create it (evil), he allowed for it (all knowingly).

Light being the positive force, dark is the neutral state that it reverts to.

But light is a physical concept and it's only "positive" in a physical sense.

Analogies don't have to be perfect.

And since you tried to make an analogy there:
If darkness is a neutral state which light reverts to, then would you say that evil is also the "neutral state" which the good reverts to, or is it the opposite state?

I think it's debateable. I would mean more a 'nothing' state. To revert 'something' to nothing would be the destructive force. Interesting line of thought though.

Satan naturally exists as a counter to good. Evil from good. Etc.

"Satan naturally exists" <- So does that mean that Satan wasn't created? He naturally existed like that for eternity? And if the answer is no, then who created Him?

I think you took that too far. By 'satan' I meant to encompass evil, personified, as satan is widely viewed. Wasn't satan created an angel, but fell? (sorry it's not a subject I have much interest in). Like all creatures, <-- they exist with a choice on how to be. Nature may dictate a hard path, and they might fall to the dark side. Gotta be so much better for that person to choose good.

Undeniable that Islam is based upon Xtianity, yes.

You just said that Islam is too far from what Judaism and Christianity profess, but now, you said that Islam is undeniably based upon Christianity. Yeah, contradiction.

Jahovas Witnesses, Mormonism, Christian Science, and no doubt many more faiths are based upon Xtianity but are very far from Judaism/ or the definition of the the Christian/ Judaic God. Based upon =/= the same. No contradiction.

The trinity stuff seems irrelevant to me. It's what can be clearly derived from the text as it stands.

And there is a debate as to whether or not the Trinity related verses in the Bible were the original words of God considering how much textual alterations there are in the Bible.

The bible is God inspired, not God written, in Xtianity. We strive to understand the exact meaning and re-work translation to that end. We don't claim perfection, we allow for improvement, although there's been little movement for 2000 years. Nothing better has turend up.

Yes I think this has a corresponding biblical text.

And what is your point?

Just pointing it out if you weren't aware. You posted it so it seemed apparent that you weren't. Otherwise why post something you knew I already knew?

Jesus was angry, but he wasn't sinful in that anger, as anger can be good. The answer to this will be included in the one for the question above.

So, when Jesus (or the Christian God) gets angry, the anger is good and not sinful. But, when Allah gets angry, He is "unjustifiably angry" <- (in your own words).

= Double Standards

I posited the potential flaw, unsupported. We're talking about the standard to meet, and the example of a good standard. No slight on Allah intended.

And how is that bipolar?

By your statement that God can be "one and three" at the same time. And that Jesus was 100% man and 100% God at the same time.

That explains nothing to me. Sorry if I missed it.