RE: Better reasons to quit Christianity
August 20, 2012 at 5:58 pm
(This post was last modified: August 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I've given you the most relevant example possible, the precog and the implications that their ability has on time and our perception of it. Any specific "choice" is covered under this example. I have explained, I believe three times now, in very simple terms, why the precog has this effect, I haven't once implied that the precog had to force anything (though you have constantly argued against this for some strange reason).
I'll say this, one more time....and after this point I am going to begin assuming that you understand me perfectly well (or simply never will, for whatever reason). You're asking me which choices might be predetermined and which might not (or what amount might be pre-determined whilst the outcome is not), I keep trying to explain to you that under the example of the precog there are no choices. We aren't having the same discussion. So, if we want to have the same discussion, help me help you. "I don't understand" isn't very specific, what don't you understand?
Precognitive abilities would require that the future be able to be known, accurately.
If the future can be known, it is not a series of choices (except from the flawed point of view of the individual that does not have precognitive abilities), more a steady flow of inevitability. If it were not, then it could not be known accurately, and there would be no precogs.
It is not an issue of whether or not the amount of "choices" you are presented with has been tinkered with.
If the future can be known, even if no one knows it, just the potential for the future to be known with accuracy ( no limiting, no forcing, no other powers, no other abilities...and even..if there are no precogs.....), our choices are a long series of illusions.
You need help finding a way to reasonably disagree with christians of any stripe when they go down this "god does this and god does that route"? Let me help you.
"Excuse me sir, I appreciate that you took the time to explain your beliefs to me, but I fail to see why I should share those beliefs, or how I could have confidence that your explanation is accurate without any substantiation whatsoever."
I'll say this, one more time....and after this point I am going to begin assuming that you understand me perfectly well (or simply never will, for whatever reason). You're asking me which choices might be predetermined and which might not (or what amount might be pre-determined whilst the outcome is not), I keep trying to explain to you that under the example of the precog there are no choices. We aren't having the same discussion. So, if we want to have the same discussion, help me help you. "I don't understand" isn't very specific, what don't you understand?
Precognitive abilities would require that the future be able to be known, accurately.
If the future can be known, it is not a series of choices (except from the flawed point of view of the individual that does not have precognitive abilities), more a steady flow of inevitability. If it were not, then it could not be known accurately, and there would be no precogs.
It is not an issue of whether or not the amount of "choices" you are presented with has been tinkered with.
If the future can be known, even if no one knows it, just the potential for the future to be known with accuracy ( no limiting, no forcing, no other powers, no other abilities...and even..if there are no precogs.....), our choices are a long series of illusions.
You need help finding a way to reasonably disagree with christians of any stripe when they go down this "god does this and god does that route"? Let me help you.
"Excuse me sir, I appreciate that you took the time to explain your beliefs to me, but I fail to see why I should share those beliefs, or how I could have confidence that your explanation is accurate without any substantiation whatsoever."
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